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Went to the pro shop yesterday between my 800 mile flight and 350 mile drive. I tried the Cybertec and the Havoctec and I was very unimpressed. I also shot a 28" and 29" Q2XL, and a 28" SQ2. No bowtechs at the shop though. The havoctec and the cybertec IMO, sucked. Sorry Hoyt fans, but I couldn't believe the hand shock that I felt in both bows. I had 4 bows out at one time, shooting one, then the next. The cybertec was the better of the 2 hoyts, but I shot that, then the SQ2 right after, and the SQ2 was definately short and sweet. All bows were set up the same... NAP1000 rest, string silencers, no sights, no peep, no stabilizer, no limbsavers. The SQ2 had barely any recoil. Unbelievable. That is a trick little bow. It had a 28" draw and felt pretty good, considering I'm shooting a 27" now. I tried both a 28 and 29" draw on the Q2XL, and the 29" felt perfect, with the 28" being okay. I could easily notice the speed difference between the two 65# bows. (same arrows)

I talked to the owner about the big show since he went to it and asked him about the Mathews bow blowing up. He said that a guy dry fired the bow and the string broke on it. He's heard the blown out of proportion stories as well, and blamed it on internet rumors.

At least I can honostly say I gave Hoyts a fair try now. I don't see what Frank and Rob get out of them, but if it works for em, hey, go for it. If bowtech doesn't pan out to my expectations, I think I'm going to pick up an SQ2 and hang on to the Q2XL so I have a bow for every application of hunting. I swapped cams with a guy online for a 29" cam, and hopefully that'll be in next week. The dealer said he wasn't overly impressed with the Legacy or Icon or the Bowtech Patriot. His pick is still the Q2. He did say that the string suppressors worked well though. Guess I'll have to shoot em myself and find out for sure.

Is there an easier way to take the locks off the pin to remove the cam on the Q2's? I had a heck of a time, breaking two fingernails back pretty deep, scratching the limb camo a little and ended up having to pound the lock washer straight again. Glad I only had to take one off to get that pin out! I'll probably put a new one on since the old one has been tweeked.

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Well at least your doing your homework huh?:)
I'm glad you found your true draw.....don't ya just want to slap that other guy silly?
I'm actually surprised at your impression of the Hoyts!?.....But hey you shot em'.
I shot a Havoctec at 28" and 70# and it was very smooth to me.......I also shot an SQ2 and I didn't notice a HUGE difference.....some but not as far as to say it SUCKED:) Frank's gonna love that one. heheh.

ANyway......whatever you choose I'm glad your getting one that fits.

Funny how different peoples impressions of bows vary from person to person.....I shot the Q2 and the Patriot myself.....and had heard from dealers who shot both decidedly like the feel of the Patriot better.
It really is a personal thing.

Oh and about that Mathews "Rumor"......I wasn't there, but talked at length with a guy who was standing right next to one of the (2) that let go.....he "thinks" one was dry fired, or a string let go as you said(he didn't witness).....but the other one definitely WASN'T a string that let go(according to him), the RISER cracked in half.
I am stating for the record that I cannot verify this , but this source was RIGHT THERE when it happened.....he's a rep for another manufacturer so he could have other motives....but he sounded pretty sincere to me.
All this really doesn't mean a hill of beans either, cause a cracked riser could happen to anyone at anytime, so if that IS what happened it could have just been the worst of luck.
Funny how rumors work too huh?

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Matt, it is really interesting how different bows fit different people. I really disliked the feel of the Hoyt, but still would recommend somebody new to try them out to see if it fits them. To me though they sucked. No offense to any hoytians. I have yet to try any bowtechs.

Could the grip be a different factor with my feelings on the hoyts? Since the grip is so much smaller, it felt better, but right at release, I felt as if the bow was going to rattle itself in half. I noticed the same thing in Oct. of 2000 when I tried a couple other hoyts. It was very obvious to me, the less handshock in the SQ2 from the cybertec.

I did shoot the hoyts with an open mind though. I don't think it was mental recoil that I felt. I can't bash hoyt to hard, heck, I have one in my bow rack! No wheels on it though.

Heck, I even test drove a freeking Volvo yesterday and was overly impressed with it! The new S-60 AWD. I never thought I would plant my rear in a volvo... and like it! That thing handled like a dream, even on slick roads, through a mountain range with blizzard conditions and pure ice on the roads. I made 300 miles in 5 hours, with a 1/2 hour pitstop to help out a rolled over pathfinder.

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ABM..

last fall i tried some hoyts and had the same exact reaction as you did. but hey...i guess to each his own. it doesnt matter what you shoot, as long as you shoot it well.

John

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I have been noticing for some time how diffrent bows fit diffrent people. I shoot a sq2 and have been looking to shoot something diffrent this year. I shot the hoyts a didnt like them at all either. A while back I was having a problem with my mathews (caused by the dealer putting the wrong length string on)and wanted to change to another company I went out and shoot every top end bow that there was and I couldnt find anything that shot close to my mathews. I am not a dihard towards mathews. I am open to all bows but I just really like the way they shoot. I Have been waiting to shoot the patriot but after seeing the pictures it sure is one funny looking bow.

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Way to go Artic. You proved them all wrong!! Atleast you gave them a fair shot. Don't let that Frank hassle you too much.

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Sounds to me like a die hard Mathews fan here that just found out how sweet those new Hoyts are, but is just too Mathews loyal to admit it. It was a dead give away when you said they really sucked, because I've been reading this forum and others for quite some time now, and have not heard anything but good things about both. I've seen a number of comparisons on here between the CyberTec and the Q2, and everyone except I think one said that the CyberTec was quieter, AND faster! I've shot both the CyberTec and HavocTec, and I thought the CyberTec was the quietest and most recoil free bow I have ever shot. The HavocTec had a little vibration, but not bad, and was also very quiet. And yes I have shot the Mathews Q2 and SQ2, and IMO the Hoyt's were definitly quieter, smoother, and faster. It is my opinion that the Hoyt's took a definate step ahead of Mathews for 2002, but that's just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to thiers just as you are.

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I also cast my vote for the Hoyt! I shot the Q2 and cybertec and havoctec back to back. To ME.. The cybertec was the winner. I used to shoot a MQ-1 and I think the cybertec is every bit as quiet and vibration free as the MQ-1 was. And the hoyts are faster, and lighter than the mathews which is important to me. But...everyone likes and sees things different and thats fine! But I do get a feeling from what Ive seen Mathews come out with this year, that Mathews is on the way down! I just havent seen/read much "hype" as in past years when they unveiled there lineup. This year not much excitement over this years new bows!? Or am I wrong?

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hey as long as you had an open mind when you were shooting thats good enough for me. i was all ready to buy a hoyt till i shot my bowtech and then it was all over. you guys know what i mean it just felt right. who knows, ABM hasent tryed a bowtech yet. :)
Ron

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Nope, no argument here. They suck. I admit it. I am even selling my havoctec as we speak on ebay. They are slow. They have split limbs. The new dual track idler system is a gimick as is the TEC riser design. They wasted millions on research and development.....

One thing I will mention is that the Havoctec and Cybertec come standard with limbsavers. To remove them takes away from the intended affect of the bow....same thing as if the harmonic dampeners or sand limb pockets would be taken out of/off of a Mathews or Bowtech. Ofcourse there would be more recoil.

Good luck with whatever you pick Jerry. You are the one that needs to be happy with it. :)

Edited by - PABowhntr on 02/09/2002 07:42:22

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I too am not a fan of the hoyts, I just don't like the tec risers & the feel of the bows. I liked the havoc much better. I still think the bow I like the best out there right now is the Q2. the new PSE nitro was one sweet bow but I like the Q2 the best.

as far as the rumors, man machined risers just don't break in half. the old cast magnesium riser would if they had a air pocket in them but machined aluminum is a whole new ball game. I really think that is a rumor started on the internet. this mathews, hoyt, bowtech pissing contest is getting old. just shoot what you like & get the bow that feels best to you. all these companies are making some good stuff now!

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As with anything in life as with bows. One guy can shoot a bow and say "This sucks!!" But the next guy can pick up the same bow, and say "WOW! I gotta have this thing!" Then takes it home and for the first week or two practically sleeps with the thing! Personally I shoot a Parker 31, and have a cybertec on order, used to shoot a MQ-1, but for me the mathews just dont do it, but they do for a ton of other people! Like moonge says the pissing match is getting old! Everyone likes/dislikes diff. equipment and thats that!!

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Whatever works for you...is RIGHT!

John

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Sucks! From two people! I would have to say no matter what I shoot or favor I would never tell any one that a product sucks. I have no trouble with my CyberTec.

I dont like ### Bows and think they suck but I would never say it because, what does not work for me may work for others. I think we are not acting like adults here.

I got a email from a member asking me about my cybertec because PA said they suck. And they where worried about choosing a cybertec. I hope this is not the example you hope other will follow.

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Grndzer,

I guess maybe I should have put a little more sarcasm in my post...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. Evidently I didn't convey that well enough.

For the record....they don't &quot;suck&quot; in fact, just the opposite.

I was just getting a little tired of being ganged up on by all the Bowtech and Mathews shooters and standing alone in defense...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

The Cybertec would be an excellent choice for a bow. Although I think it was designed primarily for hunters who want a mid axle to axle length bow I think it also serves quite well as a 3D bow. The brace height on the Versacam model I was checking out yesterday measured out at a hair more than 6 7/8th inches...almost seven. Ofcourse, it was the size 3 cam.

I don't think the person you were referencing will have any complaints about the bow....unless they think it is too lightweight <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> (sarcastic smiley). :)

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PABowhunter: Why you selling your havoctec on ebay? Were you not happy with it? To short?

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It's ok Frank, I knew you were joking. And more than likely ole Jerry was just ripping on Frank a little for fun.

I am sure what Jerry meant to say is that they do not compare to the Mathews and that he does not like them.

Since you haven't been here much lately Artic, I will help a brother out.

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bloodtrail1,

No, there was nothing wrong with the Havoctec..and to be honest with you, it was the most perfect bow for the types of applications that I generally use them for. Lightweight, short, quiet, accurate, excellent construction, adjustable and decent speed. Heck, I went to my first 3D shoot of the season yesterday and shot a 250 with 5x's out of 300...and I haven't shot farther than 15 yards since hunting season back in November.

But, Jeff and a few others reminded me of what I had forgot.....that I love trying new things. My budget/financial concerns and other interests have restricted me somewhat in recent months from purchasing as many bows as I once did.

No longer. I think it is time for me to try something new...whether it be the same brand or a different one I haven't decided...but I have my eye on a few different models...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

..and if I don't like the new bow then I will sell it on Ebay and just buy another Havoctec before hunting season. It won't be hard going back to it...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>:).

IBM,

Thank God that they don't compare to the Mathews...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I thought I had posted a reply earlier, but it looks like it didn't come up. I clarified my post a little because I think the majority of the folks here don't realize the sarcasm tossed around on a frequent basis. I mentioned that it was a little harsh indicating that they sucked. I did not like the feel for them, and wanted to at least express that I openly tried them, and didn't like them in comparison to what I have been shooting. It's all about personal preference, and what works best for you. I wanted to convey the fact that bows suit different people, and one persons opinion could be 100% different from anothers. Maybe shooting styles even play a factor in everything. Even with my Mathews at 2&quot; of a short draw length, I was still able to slap arrows together out to 40 yards, and shoot a 279 my first time ever scoring on a 300 round with 19 X's.

I guess it can be looked at like the whole Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge, etc. etc. It's all in fun, but some people just seem to get too sensative with the issue. Thank God for people like Frank that we can rib on a regular basis! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

The main thing people should know and learn from posts like these, are if they are in the market for a bow, they need to try out everything, not just what the majority in a single post raves about.

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This piss'n match is offically closed!!
And as far as that CHEVY vs ford vs dodge debate, that's a whole nother forum.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>