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What direction are they going with this one ??.They are claiming " devastating penatration" .The shafts are 17/64" or 9/32" .If this " new" skinny carbon shaft is the way to go,,then I think I would revist the old Beman carbon hunters.They run 15/64" and 16/64" .That out-sert makes them TUFF as HE!!.No joke.
I have hit some VERY hard things with them.The out-sert has mushroomed back over the shaft,,with out even as much as a crack.Talk about concentrated KE.Thats 16/64' s with 60 FOOT POUNDS behind it.It will be going thru your target,,deer,,elk,,bear,,,,,mckenzie [:o].

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I think their saying their testing showed that Beaman was on to something, but they came up with a way to still give you skinny carbon performance with the added luxury of ICS...

I wish they were heavier than they seem to be by about 2-3 grains per inch across the board... Time will tell how their spine holds up.

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The arrow looks good but i wont change my alu' s for it.
Its a good thing they offer a wider range to choose from.

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It looks to combine the best of both worlds it seems. No fooling with outserts (and their tendancy to eat up targets of all types) and no nock outserts or slip over nocks to cause tuning hassles (unless you use a drop-away). Yet they have the very small diameters approaching pultruded carbon styles.

My friend who runs the shop talked with me a bit about them over the weekend. He was impressed. Prices will be fairly reasonable as well..he said they should run about the same price as he sells CX standard shafting for...so I'm thinking they are going to be in the $75 to $80 range for shafts w/ components.

He has some on order, I'll be giving the 300s a whirl when they get their stock in. I'll put 'em through the wringer, you can bet on that :D

P.S. I'm not liking this new software upgrade..these new "smilies" suck! [:@]

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Hmm...Lighter??... If what I am reading is correct acheiving a "hunting weight" arrow in a carbon won't be a problem.

If a guy can believe all of the sugar coating in the magazines they will be great arrows (shot into fireplace stone with no ill effects). Of course we all have experienced the propoganda that can be put in print.

I am fascinated by the technology but I will have to reserve judgement until I can get my hands on some.

Only time will tell...

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Thouse old outserts uesd to come off in the worst places , like in the middel of a 3d target , hopefully these new arrows will fix that problem , but I can see problems with too much or too littel glue on the inserts , man thouse things are small , not much glueing area . If you use too much then you're going to have your points glued in .

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I guess it depends on your classification of "hunting weight".

My finished 3/49 ACCs weigh 375 grains. The axis in a similar spine weighs only .7 more grains per inch. Not a lot more weight...

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Assuming a 28" arrow, yeah not a lot more.

Jump up to a size 340 w/ 125 grain points and feathers and you should be fine spine wise for a hard cam 70 pound bow at 28-29". And you'll get the added weight you are looking for.

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But Jeff, I just bought a "lifetime" supply of Rocket Meteorites on closeout... :(

and the 340 is the shaft I looked at.

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w/ the 125's it should net you around 40 to 50 grains. If you want more than that then go to a Beman pultruded Hunter w/ outserts & G-nock bushings & 125's (you'll need to use a drop-away)

Not Easton's fault you bought all those meteorite heads.:D

BTW, not trying to rub salt in the wounds, but there is a reason Rocket discontinued the Meteorites:Blade retention. Personally I'd dump 'em and buy Steelhead 125's.

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I figured it was the $50 per 3 pack they wanted... :)

Seriously, I got the 100 grain 1.5" cut version. I checked them over thoroughly when I got them, made sure all the blade screws were in tight. Have shot one deer with them to date, they performed flawlessly, and the head is in great shape, ready to go again.

I assume the titanium didn't hold the set screw threads as well or something similar? So far, I'm really happy with these heads, with their solid ferule and .05 blade thickness...

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Yeah, I'm sure the price didn't help their cause :D How many did you pick up?

Honestly you are the first person I've heard who has had no problems with them. And yes, the problem was the retention screws/threads. Basically it's the same exact design as the Steelhead w/ the thicker blades and titanium ferrule.

Another caution though...w/ the goofy rocket threads and whatnot, they may not work at all w/ the Axis shafts. Easton worked with Muzzy & NAP I know, but the insert sits pretty deep in the shaft, too deep I'm sure for the short threaded Rockets. If I end up liking the Axis shafts, I'll have to use some sort of other 125 grain head on them if the Steelhead 125s don't work.

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Uhhmmm... 6... :D

If I get a new bow, for the time being, I probably plan to use my current ACCs until the spare change drawer is full again :)

I get 4 turns with the meteorites into the ACC inserts. I've "glued" them in with clear nail polish as added protection. It actually does a pretty fair job, but is not permanent.

A lot depends on if I get a new bow this coming year or not...

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If you don't want one, then whatever you do DON'T shoot a Liberty [>:];):D

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Jeff:

There is a tool for adjusting the insert depth. With a little ingenuity, you can alter the depth of the insert to give you the requirement you need. Be careful, however, because you could mess them up easily.;)

I don't care for the nocking system. I'm working on a way to change that to an ACC component. Right now there is not one standard size that will fit. Break out the lathe! :D;)

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Thanx for the tip Len. I knew it came with the tool, but I got the impression you really shouldn't vary the depth too much (if at all) from what the Easton rep told my dealer/friend.

Hmm..have you tried some of the Redline bushings? Or something like a 3-18 or smaller A/C bushing?

How about X-10/ACE pins or similar?

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Jeff: When I said "Be careful...", I meant it. You would have to do a tolerance stack and possibly screw up a few before finding the combination that meets your specific needs.

As far as the ICS style nocks, I just DON'T like them. I made some for the skinny carbons years ago and got the same results that I've seen on the press-fit styles they use today.

I didn't try the Redlines and I know the 3-18s don't fit. I don't have any X-10s or I'd try them.

Let me know what you find when you start fooling with them. The Rep wants me to try some on some deer since we have another 6 weeks left and then I've got some Crop Damage tickets to fill.

Good luck.:)

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I guess for once, I am going to be one of the Guinea Pigs, instead of the cautious tight-wad who is a year or two behind the curve. I just ordered a set of these to try. Since I just sold my Pro 38 DC, which pulled #65 when bottomed out, and bought a #60 Pro 40 Wheely, I figured my ACC 3-60s will be overspined. Not sure how much difference it will make, but I thought I should get some 400s of some kind to play with, and these look interesting. I don't do enough 3D to get serious about it, not worried about "line cutting" and such. These look like they have good potential for hunting arrows. Maybe Len or someone else will solve the nock situation as well.;)

At any rate, they looked like they were worth trying, so I am!:D

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Those old Bemans,,the ones with the out serts,are not such a bad shaft.If the shaft and outsert are "preped" right,,then they WONT come apart.The trick is useing the highest quility alcohal,(91%),TO CLEAN THE SURFACES,inside and out.Ruffing the joining surfaces is also a MUST.TRUST me,,if you prep them this way,,they only thing that will pull them apart is heat.
As far as the slip over nock goes,for tuneing,,just fletch the shafts with 4" helical feathers,and shoot them through a Wisker B rest.LAZER FLIGHT,,,simpley stated ;)