Anyone NOT useing a string loop ?
 

Just thought I would ask[:o]After shooting my freinds bow off the string, and feeling comfortable with a draw that was/is an inch longer than my norm,I can' t help but wonder, " what if" ??.You guys with long arms,would' nt understand:(.
I do remember seeing Jackie Caudal shooting off the string in the Great Outdoors Games,in Lake Placid.He shot GREAT,,,and won it.[:o]

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I never used one since I shot fingers, Then started using a release so I put one on. Took my bow to have a new string put on and (I' ll call him my friend ) the pro at the shop didn' t put one back. When I enquired about it I was told that I would be better off without it and would only have to replace the serving periodicaly. And I' ll be darned he was right. Works for me I hope it works for you. I guess to each their own,plus I think it adds about 2-3 fps without one. Ps haven' t the need to replace the serving yet.

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I used one for about a year & never saw any improvement in my groups. Even after a year of shooting with it, I still had to take my eyes off the target to set my release. If I was abit clumsy, I' d even sometimes push the arrow off the string while trying to set my release. If you get one, same as with anything - practice, practice, practice.
(Then, rip it off & KISS (Keep It Simply Simple) it goodbye)
John

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I shot a loop for awhile. About as long as I shot release, as a matter of fact. But, standing in front of a mirror, I did see that unless I put a nockset below the nock, between the nock and the bottom knot in the loop, then my release was pulling back ABOVE the arrow. The nockset brought my release down, more in line with the arrow shaft, plus it kept the bottom knot from sliding up and pinching the arrow nock. I was shooting tight groups anyway, but the improvement was still noticeable.

I' ve watched some guys shooting short bows without a loop and I don' t know what in the world keeps them from dryfiring their bows. When they get drawn, the string is barely inside the arrow' s nock. It' s in on the topside of the nock, angled through it, and the nock is just barely on the string at the bottom side, if it' s contacting at all. The arrow is obviously getting full power from the string on the topside with no contact at all on the bottom. What keeps the arrow going straight is a mystery to me.

At least a loop keeps the string in full contact with the throat of the nock.

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I shoot off the string. Mostly because the added length of the loop, no matter how short, caused me all sorts of issues. Draw length is VERY important to good shooting.

I have a new module on the way to shorten my bow an inch and I' m going to try the loop again.

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I don' t shoot a loop. My bow is 36 1/2" axle to axle so I am on the edge of possibly needing one. As long as I don' t need one I won' t. I don' t see how anyone shooting a short bow could feel safe not using one.

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I don' t shoot one either. Accuracy is just fine.

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No loop for me. Just eliminator buttons and a soft nock.

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I will not write very much I will just say that I agree 100% with Arthur P. I do find I can shoot off of a loop with my chappy boss I just connect the talon head right on the loop but I anchor differant with that style of release and it does not pull up on the bottom of the arrow. When I shoot a caliper style of release I prefer to shoot right off of the string I feel for myself it is much easier to hook up when the heat is on.

cebpa

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Love the " loop."

I use a metal nock aligner on string between loop ends. Nock stays full square to the string on draw. No string torgue, and far, far less string " twang."

Without fail, I would blow servings after shooting numerous strings. Have not had to replace a broken serving since using the loop.

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Man,I just erased my whole last response,,,SONOFABITCHCHCHCHHC!@#$%^&*()Later[:@]

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I have added a Loop and new badger rest, new cables.. shoots much better, I use a scott release. I can now make shots to 35 yards with the confidance of a 20 yard shot. This is on a Golden Eagle Evolution Pro.@ 55lb. about five years old. I had a plunger type rest before and tryed fingers..forget it..Also Without the loop there is pressure aginst the nock and may cause problems. Many just learn to correct this by diffent habits. This is not correctting the problem. a proper made loop should not affect arrow length. I have found that a new anchor point may have to be found. and it ended up being more comfitabile. Change your loop every year! Its cheap and safe.;)

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Do not use one myself.

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No loop here! I have a 34" ATA bow, pinch isn' t a problem. String wear isn' t a problem.(on my bow, some may have) I have 28" draw, I didn' t want to make it 27" ! All I have is one nock set, then the arrow, then the release, no eliminator button. While hunting I can put that release on the string in a split second, and slide that baby up to the arrow and I' m set, its fast! Less stuff on your string, a plus! Don' t get me wrong, loops work, but you can shoot accuratley without them.

Good Luck!

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Alot MORE guys than I thought shoot off the string[:o]This is really makeing me stop and think.What is the speed gain for one more inch of power stroke ??.
Any of you guys out there know ??.I think it' s around 5 to 8 fps.???not sure.
If I shot off the string I could go up to a 28" draw,GREAT !.I could also use 80% let off, and not see a speed reduction over my 27" inch bow,with 65% let off.THIS TOO IS A GOOD THING [:-].When I shoot a friends bow,that has 80% let off, I LOVE it.It blows my mind how many guys on this board scoff at the idea of useing a bow w/80% let off.I don' t get it [:o]I could care less how the POPE and YOUNG organization feels about my choice in hunting equipment.Is it REALLY that hard to get off a good shot,inside normal hunting range,with a bow having another 10 to 15 % reduction in holding weight ???.

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Loops do not affect drawlength. They affect anchor. Your correct drawlength is your correct drawlength, regardless of what style you shoot--fingers, short release, long release, under nock, loop, whatever. If you lengthen your drawlength by an inch to " get it back to your anchor point" after removing a loop, then you are running too long of a drawlength and accuracy will suffer because you will be stretched out and everything is not in correct alignment for the best repeatable accuracy.

I shot off the string for many years when I shot fingers and then first started shooting release. Then I went to a rope release which allowed better shooting characteristics because there was less torque imparted onto the string. I had to change my anchor because of it, and I had to adjust my anchor, but it quickly came around. I changed to a loop about 10 years ago, and have never looked back. They have many attributes once set-up properly and are much more forgiving. I set mine up with a tied-in nockset both above and below the arrow nock (not too tight, you want to give the arrow a bit of space for full draw, at least 1/16 at rest between bottom of arrow nock and bottom nockset will do) Then I throw the loop above and under them. This sets up the loop to be in line with the arrow, and will not " cinch" the arrow like a straight loop will do and cause erratic arrow flight. If you ever happen to pull through one in the field, with the two nocksets install you have quick reference points and can change one out in less than a minute. No wear on serving from release jaws, string maintenence is minimal. No torque, no eliminator buttons, no rubber-tube peep. (You can use a tru-peep and it will come around perfectly with little diddling. This picks up about 15 fps just by eliminating the tube) yes, there are reasons why most archers shoot a loop now.

I set-up archers with both loops and no-loops. It is one of those things that is a personal preference issue. But I can tell you that the loop does have it' s place, and when setup correctly works extremely well.;) Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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I don' t use a loop either. Pinwheel said it....it' s not drawlength, it' s anchor. I' ve always shot off the string with no problems. I tried a loop a couple years ago and could never get comfortable with my anchor, so I went back to just shooting off the string. Whatever works for you and you are comfortable with...do it.

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i don' t use a loop ,i do however use a rope release

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Actually, I just switched to using a loop this past year...as per Jeff' s urging. I did somewhat of a noticeable increase in accuracy but this thread has me longing for the opportunity to shoot off the string again. :)

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Off the string too, better for anchor point.

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I' ve shot off the string with a scott mongoose under a nock secured by a Tru speed nock, on a 30.5" ata bow at 28" draw, with no ill effects whatsoever, Arrow is secure, even on let-down, and bow is very accurate. Serving is also in great shape.

I' m currently getting ready to switch to a Gator Jaw release which mimics a string loop only with a straight behind the nock pull back, but it will still be off the string :)

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I' ve never used one. I' m comfortable with how I shoot and the only thing that I feel it would help me with is serving wear. But my serving usually holds for at least a year and half to two years, and by that time I need to have the bow re-strung.

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I was " anti-loop" for years. Hated the damn things. Finally after really getting used to one that was set up properly, It started to grow on me.

Now after abour 2.5 years of shooting one constantly, I don' t see myself ever going back to off the string unless I' m using a rope release on a long Axle to Axle bow.

Less serving wear was nice, but not a big concern for me. But I have noticed a big diff in tune-ability with various arrow spines, and added forgive-ness from torque issues and a too hard or too soft anchor. Also due to my build (short arms, very wide shoulders) it works with my form much better.

Some guys see a positive diff w/ the loop, some guys don' t . I' m in the camp of the former.

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Well,I totally disagree with the idea that you need to adjust your anchor to shoot with a loop.Your elbow position is the important element that seems to be forgotten.You should try and maintain a straight line with the elbow and if you put a loop on and don' t shorten your draw length,your elbow position will not be in line,at least for most of us it isn' t.For most of us it will now be extended too far.



That being said,I haven' t seen too many loose an inch of draw length if a loop has been installed properly.Most people would only loose about 3/8" with a loop that I tie but can adjust the loop for the desired draw length.

The biggest attribute of a loop is the ability to fit the draw length to an exact fit instead of being a 1/4" too long or too short.Secondly is the forgiveness the loop will add to a setup.Thirdly is the added comfort in knowing that if you have to letdown on a deer that the arrow will not fall off the string.


5-6 fps loss of speed is a non factor for any form of shooting and should be the last thing considered when deciding if you want one on your bow.Take a look at most 3-d pros and you will notice they have them on their bows.You know that speed is highly considered in 3-d but most go for the advantages of the loop over the 1 small disadvantage.

The choice is a personall thing and I have shot with and without and I mainly shoot one now for the reason of getting my draw length exact and still maintain proper alignment.

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Man,alot of guys don' t have a problem shooting off the string [:o].I' m not sure why I am surprized,but WOW.I see room for a GOOD argument,,so to speak.I have used a loop for the last 10 years,,but I have gotta tell ya,,My freinds 28" ULTRA MAX feels GREAT.
Someone said a loop does' nt effect draw length,,,how is that possible.Your draw length stays the same ,but the BOW' s draw has to change.If you draw 28" to your anchor point,,then put on a 1/2" to3/4" string loop,,,,now your anchoring under your EAR.NOT GOOD !.
Next year when I order my new MATHEWS,,I want to get a 28" er' .I' ll feel like one of the " big boys" [:-],,,not the stubby arm dwarf [:@]
How much will that extra inch" get me ?????10fps.,,,[:o]

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DT-

The loop will effectively shorten your drawlength if you wish to maintain consistent anchor by the depth of the loop itself. However, by changing drawlength, you are also effectively bringing the string forward away from your face and natural resting/alignment position, and the peep will also be further out in front of your eye and in a different spot if you keep measurements. Like I said, correct drawlength is correct drawlength no matter the style or equipment, and if you wish to keep a consistent anchor point also, then you must shorten-up your release by the same amount as the depth of the loop. You NEVER want to shorten up your drawlength to accomodate for a loop, that string should remain in the same place as it always does, and if you need to work around the loop by adjusting the release or changing anchor then that is what you must do. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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Off the string, no problem with arrow coming off the string on let up.

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I only used a string loop for about a year. The reason why was that I saw other shooters at the local shop shooting with one. So I tried it. I never really noticed a difference in accuracy. But the one thing I did like about it was that when I was at full draw, I could twist my drawing arm slightly to a more comfortable position without affecting the bow' s level. It was a little weird at first, but I eventually became comfortable with it. I changed my set-up when I purchased a new bow and the dealer recomended that I not continue with the loop for various reasons. So anyway I managed to harvest 2 deer with the loop on, so I can' t say anything against it. Seems just a matter of preference.

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I shoot straight off the string.

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use one for target but after last year the string loop can be hard to find with the release also it is one more thing that can go wrong

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I happen to notice that those Signature nocks,,not the Super uni nock,have a nock recess built in.NICE,,perfect for shooting off the string !!!.;)

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Yes, young Droptines, Come over to the Dark Side![>:][>:][>:]

No strings attached:D:D:D

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Pinwheel 12 is right about the draw length.
Imagine if your anchors were the tip of your nose, and corner of your mouth (kisser for some). Adding a string loop doesn' t change ANY of that...just how far back your elbow is at full draw. Your elbow should be moving straight back on the shot, so 3/4" -1" shouldn' t make much differance...it' s still going straight back.
I like a loop because it should give beter arrow flight, is easier on your strings, keeps arrow on the string...even after drawing and letting down a few times, and it acts as a string silencer.
It doesn' t take me ANY longer to use a loop than shooting off the string. I use a thumb release...click it on the loop as soon as I am in the stand...it' s ready to go at all times, leaving my hands free for rattling or calls.
I do however use JUST a loop. no extra nocks or anything to space it. My loop is on so tight that to move it you have to spin it on the serving...and even that is tough.
I don' t worry at all about the loop pinching the string...I draw, let down, and check...NO problem at all. When you are at full draw, the loop may be pinching the arrow, but as the string moves forward, you are loosing the sharp angle of the string...this has the effect of pulling the loop away from the arrow nock (even if VERY slightly) so when the arrow actually LEAVES the string, it is no longer pinched.
Some shoot " fine" without a loop...I just know that the loop is more " forgiving" (I really hate that word...but you know what I mean).

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I' ve always shot off the string.

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AGAIN,,YES,,,AGAIN I had a friends bow to shoot.I took my friends Baby G over to the club to give it a little tune up,,if it needed it.He was' nt sure,so I jumped at the chance to shoot his BEAST.Well,,I have to tell you,VERY decent shooting bow,,,for a bow with a BH under 5.5" ,,I handeled it VERY well,,no slap ,,no drips,no runs,,,and NO string loop [:-]" EL NATUREL" [:o]I can see me 2004 MATHEWS now,,,28" draw :D

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I have shot off the string for over 20 years with various releases. I allways use an eliminator button and tied in nock and have never had a dryfire because the arrow fell off the string. I get very minimal wear on my servings while using caliper releases and accuracy and tuning is easy. I have owned and shot bows as short as 33 inches ATA with a 29.5 inch draw with no problems. Just recently I shot a friends bow a few times with his release and loop on the string and it felt like I was pulling more on the top limb than the bottom, very weird feeling. Kinda like putting your bow hand lower on the grip than you should[:o]