What' s going on ?
 

Last night I ran over to the club to shoot through paper, to see how things are going with my new arrows.My bow is an SQ2, 27" draw, pulling around 72 to 73,maxed out.I was thinking of hunting at this weight,because I wanted to use mech.heads again.Just to keep the tunning and shooting smooth.
Well, my 27" 2315' s are not comming out of the bow the way I thought they would.I' m useing an 85 grn.tip.No matter what I tryied, the tear remained the same.The were tearing at about 10 o' clock, maybe an inch.I tryied EVERYTHING I could think of, NO CHANGE.The fletched shafts tear better, but not a bullet hole.I have 4" helical feathers on them.The shafts weigh in @ 457, and are doing between 246 and 248 fps.
I' m pretty sick of this tunning crap !!!!!!!.My stinkin short arms don' t help much either.I messed my shoulder up on vacation, so drawing my bow at the higher weight is' nt as smooth as I' d like.I don' t know if I' m going to be able to get used to it in time for some GOOD practice.Bow season is only a few months away now.
What to do [:' (]
I tell you, it does' nt help watching tapes like PRIMETIME 7, over and over.Seeing those guys shooting carbons,FAST, with mech.heads, with regular BH, only slightly off set fletch, feathers,vanes,,,And I know low poundage too !.MECH.HEADS, with low poundage,,,DAMN my short arms :(
I would really take ANY suggestions to heart.I' m not a novice,I have taken my share of deer,but it seems I' m working too hard for a GOOD shooting rig :(

RE: What' s going on ?
 

85 grains is awful tiny for a big honkin' arrow like 2315. In fact, checking the charts, 2315' s are overspined at 72 pounds, 27" and 85 gn tip. You need to go to a 125 grain head to bring the spine in.

RE: What' s going on ?
 

I agree with Arthur and if the point weight doesn' t completely fix the problem,try another arrow that is slightly lighter on spine.


If that doesn' t fix it,you may be torquing the bow or there could be cam lean,bent axles,to much tension on your cables,under rotated cams,over rotated cams or a whole slew of problems.


A perfect bullet hole may not be the absolute best but in my experienc,a bow that punches good holes,doesn' t have to be perfect but good will give you best penetration.Worry about a clean flying arrow and one that groups well and don' t pull your hair out over paper.It is probably you causing it anyway.

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Dont beat yourself up over a high left tear! Especially bare shaft!

Look , this is my new found philosophy on paper tuning for a hunting setup. I start by matching my arrows as perfect as I can get to my current setup. With many years experience building and selling arrows it comes natural to me(remembering what shaft to shoot with what setup) but there are many excellent programs out there to get you the correct arrows to match your setup. Before I could offer you advice I' d need to know your arrow length and specs of your bow.
Anyway , I prefer to be as close to perfect center shot as I possibly can! So, when it comes to paper tuning I only use it for hunting scenarios , meaning that the majority of people paper tune at distances of 3 - 6 feet from the paper. Well , step back and shoot an arrow thru paper from your closest hunting scenario shot and see what happens. Try it at 7 - 10 yards. Unless your setup is way off you should be getting bullet holes at that distance (with fletched shafts). Let the fletching do it' s job and straighten the arrow out. The biggest part of paper tuning for bowhunters is checking to see if you have good arrow flight. Well , who the hell cares if you have a small tear at 6 feet? Are you gonna be shooting at game that close?
If having a bullet hole at 6 feet means that much to you then by all means feel free to chase the tears by moving your rest or your nock point!

RE: What' s going on ?
 

i have a question, if your hunting whitetail ,why do you need 73 lbs ?? unless your going for 50 yard shots .

RE: What' s going on ?
 

Xibowhunter, I' m shooting 73 pounds because my ARMS ARE TOOOO SHORT !!!! " Only have a 27" draw length, any REALLY WANT TO USE MECH.HEADS [:o] So, I' m looking for a pass through from my tree stand, which is always up around 24' or 25' .Mech.heads need the extra KE.Also, my bow this year is not a real power house (SQ2, 8" BH).I' m already thinking about a nice new " 2004" , with a 6 1/2" BH [:-].

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I personally don' t like the combination of aluminum and expandables.I feel the oscilation of the shaft on impact and the opening of the head,there is too much energy lost and penetration greatly suffers.That is my opinion and I don' t know how many feel the same but I would think it would be worth considering with a short draw.


If you don' t like the poundage then back it down.PERIOD.If you like it then don' t worry about it.


You can shoot a medium weight carbon with a Rocket Steel head on 65#-67# and as long as it is tuned and shooting straight,you should blow through deer.



If I were shooting 27" draw then I would most likely be shooting something like a Cybertec.Plenty of forgiveness at that draw and shoots plenty hard and also has good a-a.Not suggesting you drop your setup and go buy one but just giving an example of what I would concider a great setup.Your setup is also good but needs some slight attention.Point weight for example.

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HEY DROPTINE:

YOU DIDNT SAY BUT I,M GOIN TO GUESS YOU ARE A RIGHT HANDED SHOOTER
AND THAT YOU SHOOT A RELEASE AID. FIRST OF ALL A N 85 GRAIN HEAD ON A 2315 IS A SERIOUS MISMATCH. THIS COMBO WILL PROBABLY MAKE THE ARROW VERY UNSTABLE AND WAY TO STIFF. IF YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH WEIGHT ON THE FRONT THE FLETCHING WILL HAVE A HARD TIME STRAIGHTENING THE ARROW FLIGHT. OTHER THINGS TO CHECK ARE FLETCH CLEARANCE AND HAND TORQUE. DONT GET TOO PICKY FOR THAT PERFECT HOLE BUT THE POINT SHOULD TEAR INSIDE THE FLETCHING.
ISHOOT A MATHEWS LEAGACY ON 62#, 28" CARBON EXPRESS 300, GT EXP 100
MECH. HEAD. 4" FLETCH, 30" DRAW------NO PROBLEM WITH PENETRATION. CARBONS AND MECH. HEADS SEEM TO GO TOGETHER.:D


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RE: What' s going on ?
 

How does your F.O.C. calculate?

RE: What' s going on ?
 

Dick,I did a check on the F.O.C. when I first fletched them up.They were over 11%, so I' m not concerned with that.You guys are saying I' m a bit to " stiff" with that 85 grn. head, but my Easton catalog from last year shows a 2315 in the column for 27" and 70 plus pounds, with a hard cam.I think I' m going to go to my pro shop and get some carbons.I think it' s time to work with them.Forget how much the arrow wieghs,,build the arrow,,then set the bow to shoot it PERFECT [:-]
Sound like a plan ????.I think I might have to change rests,though.I' m useing a Quick Tune 750,from NAP right now.Might be able to use it if I fletch my shafts off set, instead of helical.I think that should work with a mech.head.
Time will tell ;)