Rocket Steelhead problem
 

I know I heard this somewhere before - but at the time it didn' t concern me so I probably didn' t listen:D

But....Not one of my 3 new 100grn steelheads will screw into my goldtip inserts. The threads don' t even touch - not even close[:@]

Is this a fluke?

Will I be able to use them with my GT' s or what????

Rocket help line here I come - time to wake out of your coma and answer a few questions:D

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

They would barely catch in my A/C/C inserts(only about 2 threads) .

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Did you contact them??

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Actually I did because of that and because I feel those heads are very noisy (the o-ring does not fit snug against the ferrule and I think the wind causes excessive noise in those gaps ) and it cost me a couple of deer..........one of which was similar to yours ! [:@]

They sent me a smart a$$ note back ,that between the lines said " sh!t happens get over it" , and a video (wow) !!

I think there was a thread a month or so ago about how bad their customer service is ...........

I became furious last night trying to change out blades in my Rocket Hammerheads because of the screw design, but I will not contact them this time......just won' t buy anymore of their products !

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Thanks for the heads up - I will look into the noise.

At least I know Cabelas will take them back - but I would still like to use them.

Hope I get a better response than you did[X(]

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I have one of 12 arrows/inserts that will not accept my Rocket Steelheads. I have to think it is the insert, as I have no problems with the other 11 arrows. I bought the arrows already made at a local shop, so I know nothing about the inserts.

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I seem to recall somebody else having problems with the lighter variations of some of the Rocket heads (I think it was the ultimate steel 75). Seems to me that Rocket is shortening the length of the threads to make weight.

I have never seen a Thunderhead, Muzzy, or Montec that did not have enought thread engagement.

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LOL...yep, you' re screwed! ;)

There was a thread a while ago where they were talking about that, but I didn' t pay attention much either [:o] since I don' t shoot those heads. I' m sure someone will chime in and straighten you out. :D

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Well I got it straight from the horses mouth[:@]

Cant use rocket steelhead 100' s with gold tip arrows. I was told it is a gold tip insert problem. Then I stated that the wolverine 3p' s and the ultimate steels fit fine, so why just the steelhead.........long pause and then a reinstatement about the insert problem[:' (] followed by a " we sell thousands and thousands of them and they are fine"

Now a call to GT to see what they have to say:D

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RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Which insert are u using??

I have Camo XTs' and my 125 gr Steelheads work just fine. Maybe the threads are longer on the 125s' ????

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Just a follow up on my problem. The threads were not a problem. It seemed that the part of the head just above the threads was just to large in diameter to allow the head to even get far enough in for the threads to be an issue. Or actually, the hole in the insert is too small.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Bowscout, A lot of times that problem is associated with too much glue/epoxy being applied to the inserts. Some glue will get into the end of the insert and make it hard to screw in a tip .

Corey006, I am pretty sure the 125' s have longer threads.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Well I don' t know what to say. As I type I am sitting here with a rocket steelhead 100 grain screwed snugly onto the tip of a Goldtip XT 5575. I used this same combo last year and have honestly never experienced this problem. These are new arrows purchased this summer and new rockets purchased last week.

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Hey Todd - can you do me a favor:D

measure the distance from the steel washer to the tip of the threaded shaft.

I would like to know if my head is shorter:)

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

From the back of the metal washer to the tip of the threads is exactly 9/16 of an inch on my steelheads.

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Rack-Attack!
I guess, this is your warning from ABOVE, wich tells you DO NOT use mechanical heads. Use fixed blades! It could be that your biggest buck of your life waiting to be shot by you in this bow season. Be prepared.
Steelhead fits very well on carbon express or ACC, or pick up 85 grain TI from Rocky Mountain.
My Bowtech shoot well right now with TT. I shoot 286 fps at 29" 70 lbs, 385 grain arrow.
My 430 grain ACC flies at 275 fps. All of them shoot great.
Vodek[:o]

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Rack-Attck!
I just tried Steelhead on my two years old GT 7595 Competition Pro and it WILL screw in ! I can see the insert is catching about 3 threads but it could work.
On my ACC fit better, it takes more threads.
To me it looks like GT issue not Steelhead.
Vodek

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Nope. It isn' t fair to lay ALL the blame at Goldtip' s feet. The 100 gr Steelheads I' ve got also measure 9/16" from the shoulder to the end of the threads. My other heads, broadheads, field points, blunts... all measure 23/32" .

Depth of inserts from shoulder to threads: Easton aluminum - 7/16" . PSE Carbon Force - 7/16" . Beman ICS - 7/16" . Gold Tip standard - 15/32" !

So, GoldTip is running their inserts 1/32" deeper than everyone else in the industry, but Rocket is making the shanks on their Steelheads more than 1/8" shorter than everyone else.

They' ve both got a problem, but Rocket' s problem is worse.

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Acutally, after looking at the AMO standards, Goldtip' s inserts are right on the very edge of being in spec for depth. Depth of the counterbore is called out . 414 - .455" deep.

Length of the shank to the threads on the head is called out as .355 - .375" . My Steelheads measure .250" . It' s the Steelheads that are NOT made to AMO spec.

http://enjoy-archery.hp.infoseek.co.jp/AMOStandards.pdf

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

The SH 100' s barely fit into my A/C/C 3-49' s..the 125' s have been no problem on several different manufacturers inserts.

As Arthur said, It' s a combination of the two (GT and the SH100), but rocket has the lion' s share of the problem.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Todd / Jeff - thanks

Arthur - great info and thanks

Vodek - I have fixed heads all over my house that not only fit but fly great. You don' t know me to well do you??? I seek out aggravation:D

Well it seems I bought the runt of the litter - my 100' s measure less than 1/2" from ring to shaft tip[:o] - can you believe that poop:)

Thats not even close - they don' t even work in my easton inserts - when I slide them in there is about 1/32 to catch a thread[:@]

Rocket will get another call from me tomorrow - and this one will not be so pleasant[X(]:D

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Yes the Steelhead 100s are short, my fix get some Miniblasters and put the pathfinder tip in them. Close to 100 grains and the Pathfinder tip will help with penetration in my opinion, especially on quartering shots. Just my solution, but it' s worked well.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Why does it seem that in every rocket thread thier customer " no service" is a problem? Some of their products are great others are not. To be honest though I am about sick of them not taking care of the customers and not admitting to problems. The 125 grn steel head is alot better than the 100 grn version anyway. If you don' t mind bumping up 25 grns your preformance will be increased and the speed loss won' t be all that much.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

it sounds to me like rocket needs some hope not help!
hope they get there quality issues straight before people quit fooling with there bull!! all there products should be the same. it' s bad when you can buy somthing in
the same model and the quality is totaly different between the 100g and 125g not to mention that you got to worry about if they are going to screw into your arrow or not!

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

I think it' s more a design issue than quality. Rocket wanted to get a 100 grain head but couldn' t get there with a full length shank and thread on a steel ferrule, so they got out their calculators and figured out how much they could cut the shank to cut some weight and still get a couple of threads started in an insert that' s made correctly. Then they chopped an eighth of an inch off the length. I' d bet the 125' s are close to full length according to AMO specs.

What irritates me is them trying to blame Goldtip for being a fraction too deep on their counterbores when it is they themselves that made an obvious effort to ignore AMO standards.

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

I had the same problem last fall when trying to use my new Rocket Steelheads with my new Easton XX75 Super Slam arrows. The Steelheads would only grab a couple threads and I was not happy with that. I didn' t use them so there sitting on the shelf and I' m out $25.00 bucks..... nice company huh?

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RE: Rocket Sucks!


http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.as...ode=&s=#314861

RE: Rocket Steelhead problem
 

Wow, there sure is alot of hostility in this thread. Maybe a quick " forward" of the thread url to Rocket might be in order. It seems that manufacturers pay alot of attention to negative press.....especially on the internet.

Despite the negative comments I do still plan on using the Steelhead and Hammerhead 100s almost exclusively this season. Luckily, I have not had some of the same issues with my head/arrow combination.