clarifier verifier which one???????
 

need some tech help all
i recently decided to update my equipment and am looking into lenses and such i have purchased a 6x lens and am not sure what i need in the peep end
i was told i need a number 2 clarifier but upon recieving it it is very small so my question is

do i need a clarifier or a verifier i will be hunting and also some 3d shooting and i use the same bow for both

i have a 1/4 inch peep so i think i need a 1/4 inch clarifier with a number 2 lens but cant find one if i am correct casn anyone direct me to a seller?
thanks

I believe that specialty archery calls the peep lenses for the hunting setups "verifiers" and the ones for the target peeps "clarifiers"

The verifiers are really just the lens in the screw in peep housing.
The clarifiers are the lens AND a stopped down aperture.

With respect to the power required, everyones mileage varies with respect to that. For some a #5 verifier will work just fine, and for others they may need a #6 or #7 (5=lowest power, 9= highest power).

The only way to tell is to try some of them out, but I would advise to use the lowest power lens combo you feel comfortable with. The higher the magnification of the lens, the less light it will pass and the darker your image will look. Possibly not such a big deal on the 3D course, but could be a 20 minute difference in shooting light at sunrise and sunset.

Now in regards to your main lens, you are certainly the one who makes the ultimate decision as to what works for you, but a 6X lens is awfully powerful for a hunting situation. I think for hunting I wouldn't go with anything more than a 3X.

Just as a data point, my indoor target rig has an 8X lens and #2 clarifier. At 20 yards I don't see any more than the gold center of a vegas face target. That is a spot roughly 3 1/2" in diameter. If I drew back on a deer with that magnification I don't think I would be able to tell which end of the deer I was looking at.

OZ - I recently got 2 of the Specialty Archery 1/4 hooded peeps and originally got #6 verifiers. My problem was that, without the verifier my pins, especially the red one was very fuzzy. However, with the #6 verifier the pins did gete clear but the target was blurry. I sent the #6s back and got #5 verifiers. Now the pins are still clear and sharp and the target is only moderately blurred but no trouble picking out detail. I don't know your vision deficiencies but I have a difficult time reading type like newspaper without glasses. My far vision however is still perfect. Hope this helps

98redline, that's close but a little misguided.

Verifiers are for fixed pin sights with no lenses.

Clarifiers are for lenses.

U can get a clarifier in the same number with a larger hole.

U can get them in many sizes.

Drock the verifiers do have lens and range in 'power' from a #5 to a #9.

For a good definition go the the Specialty Archery site:
http://www.specialtyarch.com/

You misunderstood what he is saying.The verifier has a lens but are used in conjunction with a non magnified sight.

From what I understand,some that wear eye glasses need a verifier.

A clarifier does exactly what the name suggest.It makes a powered lens clearer.



Your link does show the exact peep the OP should look at.Interchangeable system will make finding the right combination much easier but they are a little pricey.

thanks all for the advice will look into a bit more

Because I need glasses for reading (far vision is excellent) I am currently using the 1/4" hooded peep with a #5 verifier. This sharpens my pins and the target remains fairly clear. In bright light prior to installation of this system, the red pin looked about 3x its size and blurred. The #6 verifier was just too strong and blurred the target.
I guess the best thing to do is to go to a shop that carries these items and see what works best. Also suggest you try it in a low light condition

What TFOX said;)

I use clarifiers for target shooting... The super peep is the way to go. U can use either or an try out different ones!

Make sure u serve them in!!! I had a nock break about 3 months ago and my clarifier and peep went flying out of the string:hit: I about threw up as I realized that 30 something dollars was in the woods somewhere:( idiotic mistake obviously, but a lesson learned. Regardless of if your peep stays set without being tied something crazy could always happen(i.e, nock breaking)

Red pins blur(halo) even for those of us that don't need glasses.I use only green and orange on my hunting sights.

Well now I have add something or ask something. You guys decide which........

I have been wearing glasses for years, but the pair I have now have no coatings so I get some big bad reflections. Therefore I can't shoot with them---my vision is about 20/50. I am also one of those old guys who need bifocals.

The last couple years the pins got blurry. Bright fiber optics are even worse, giving a starlight effect. I partially solved that by wrapping electrical tape around the housing of my HHA OL-5000. Still I needed a Verifier so I got a #6 (before they made the #5). It's working fairly well, but I have other problems, too. Need a .019 pin, but that's another issue.

To see better I borrowed a Lens Kit B and 6X lens for the sight. Practiced with it for a day or two and Monday evening shot the best score I've shot in several years mainly because I could finally see what I was aiming at.

Now, this I find interesting because, with a 6X lens, I was also using a 3/16" Superpeep with no lens at all. No Verifier and no Clarifier. The pin was somewhat blurry, but the target was so crisp and clear that I think I was concentrating more on the target (as it should be) so the pin was no the point of my attention.

I'm interested in trying the Verifier with the scope lens just for comparison purposes, but that will be a little later. As a long time tinkerer I'm trying other things.

So what say you guys. Anybody have similar experiences? Am I normal?

Oh, and please don't patronize me. I've been at this game of compound bows for 37 years now so I'm not a newbie by any means.

TFox, just to give you the facts, the Verifier is not for people who need glasses. It's for us old farts that need bifocals or reading glasses. It's called Presbyopia. You're too young to know everything about that.

And that's why I stated it the way I did.:s12: Because I have no personal experience with them.

Thanks for the clarification,no pun intended.:party0005:

I have only used a Clarifier once and couldn't stand how blurred the pin got.Having 20/15 vision allowed me to remove my lens.I am able to see what I want to hit much better this way.


I have reached that 40 year old mark and still don't need glasses but I may in a couple years.:wink:

BG: the verified WILL help some people with glasses under the right conditions. I only know this bc I know 2 people who use them to help clear up their pins etc.

Not saying your not right, just saying everyones eyes are different and certain things work for different people...

I use a #1 yellow clarifier. I use it with my 4x scope outdoors and it clears the target up beautifully. Subsequently it makes the pin disappear slightly, so in certain lights I have to use a light...

Now, with my 8x lens the target is slightly blurry, but at 20yds it's fine for 5spot(still working on a better Vegas optical setup) and my pin us plenty bright!

It's odd how the differences in mag and eyesight create different illusions etc.

I completely agree with you that everybodys' eyes can be different. That's why there are just no cut and dried answers to these questions. That's why I always recommend that a person go to a shop that has all these lenses and try them out to see what does what for his own situation.

I found out about 30 years ago that a Clarifier can help clear up the target, but yes, the dot in my scope disappeared. Of course this was way back before things got as technical as they are today. I haven't used a modern day Clarifier so can't compare to my old one (I still have it). Back then, just as now, mcuh can be accomplished just by trying different size apertures. I used to use a 1/32" and that is tiny. Not much light gets through it.

TFox, I didn't realize you were getting up there in years, LOL. Glad to hear you still have good eyes. Mine suck and are slowly getting worse. I'm 63 now. I'm in the planning stages of getting new glasses and am looking at what options I can come up with to allow me to shoot with them on. Maybe I could hit something if I could see it. I can't use my present ones and it sucks.

In no way was I implying that Verifiers can't be used with glasses. Just pointing out that the main purpose for them is for those whose eyes won't focus close any more.