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Bowtech Guys- Please School me
On the 2007 Guardian with grey cams-I had never encountered one until tonite- and I've recently had sev people (whose opinions I respect) tell me they were great bows- especially the 2007/grey cams.
I found a brand new one-in Fuggly Oak Obsession- leftover obviously, for a very good price. I shot it, albeit with 30" mods, and its completely dead in the hand like the Admiral, and super quiet, but the thing I loved was even at 30" the draw is MUCH smoother-no bumps and a little less torquey. Seemed very fast (obviously at 30") I was really impressed..it was def a "wow" bow for me. If it felt that good nearly 2"" too long...well..... So here's my questions- 1) what were the advertised specs- brace, A2A, IBO speeds, mass weight,etc 2) are 1/2" modules available? Are there smooth mods & speed mods? are there different mods for different letoff? How does it work with those cams 3) Any known issues? major cam lean problems? The bow has a brand new set of limbs on it that were just put on tonite (original 50 pounders swapped out for new 70 pounders). Thanks in advance- I expect some answers from Pat, Matt, Phil, etc- I know Dan, Vic, Greg, Rob & Russ will give me the time of the day but you other guys gotta step it up too, K? [:@]  |
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ORIGINAL: JeffB On the 2007 Guardian with grey cams-I had never encountered one until tonite- and I've recently had sev people (whose opinions I respect) tell me they were great bows- especially the 2007/grey cams. I found a brand new one-in Fuggly Oak Obsession- leftover obviously, for a very good price. I shot it, albeit with 30" mods, and its completely dead in the hand like the Admiral, and super quiet, but the thing I loved was even at 30" the draw is MUCH smoother-no bumps and a little less torquey. Seemed very fast (obviously at 30") I was really impressed..it was def a "wow" bow for me. If it felt that good nearly 2"" too long...well..... So here's my questions- 1) what were the advertised specs- brace, A2A, IBO speeds, mass weight,etc 2) are 1/2" modules available? Are there smooth mods & speed mods? are there different mods for different letoff? How does it work with those cams 3) Any known issues? major cam lean problems? The bow has a brand new set of limbs on it that were just put on tonite (original 50 pounders swapped out for new 70 pounders). Thanks in advance- I expect some answers from Pat, Matt, Phil, etc- I know Dan, Vic, Greg, Rob & Russ will give me the time of the day but you other guys gotta step it up too, K? [:@]
1/2" mods are available, just the one CPmod no smooth and speed mods, on letoff 65% is obtained by a different draw stop not sure. I shot mine at 80%. The issues were few and far between in my experience. It was a Great bow, but the Captain which replaced it is definitely a step up. If you are getting a great deal on it, I'd go for it in a heartbeat. Dan |
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I am not a Bowtech guy so no schooling from me, but, I do have some of the info you are looking for:
Brace - 7.13 ; ATA - 33.75; IBO - 329; weight - 4.2 1/2 modules, DL 25-30, no smooth/speed mods (the mods are CP prefix), there is a little black bushing that you put on the top mod to get 65% letoff (remove for 80%) I have Commanders and I love them. Edit: fix an error |
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Thanks Dan-
This did not have a draw stop like the new bows or a 82nd limb stop- just looked to be a flat area at the end of the module? IDK for sure, I didn't examine it all that closely just shot it when the tech got it put back together after putting the new limbs on. It felt like less than 80% letoff- but then again I was overdrawn nearly 2".. I've shot the Captain alot, and it def looks cooler and is lighter, but the Guardian draws much smoother/more evenly through the entire draw and doesn't have the wierd sight window cut-(which is an issue for me on the Captain). anyone else? I'm all ears |
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ORIGINAL: brucelanthier I am not a Bowtech guy so no schooling from me, but, I do have some of the info you are looking for: Brace - 7.13 ; ATA - 33.75; IBO - 329; weight - 4.2 No 1/2 modules, DL 25-30, no smooth/speed mods (the mods are CP prefix), there is a little black bushing that you put on the top mod to get 65% letoff (remove for 80%) I have Commanders and I love them. wait a minute...Dan says Yes? EDIT- see you corrected yourself- whew  Anyone know what mods I would need for a 28.5 draw? Shop says they have mods, but I don't know exactly which ones- Thanx for the info Bruce- they sold the last Commander the othe rnight- it was an 08 with the black cam and it also was very smooth. |
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ORIGINAL: JeffB Anyone know what mods I would need for a 28.5 draw? Shop says they have mods, but I don't know exactly which ones- |
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28.5" is a CP 2.5
Dan |
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Thanks both!
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I would jump all over the guardian if you like it. I know people who still shoot them for 3d. I wish i would have gotten on instead of getting a general when i did:eek: It was great, but too short.
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I'm gonna think about it for a few days- plus I need to wait for some $ to come in from my alphamax (we just didn't get along consistently-no contest compared to the Admiral which I can pick up and shoot no problem at any time-which I proved to myself again last night)
After looking into it, The Guardian seems very similar spec-wise to my Admiral- speeds would be similar, Admiral has a bit more brace. But boy that guardian sure does draw smooth. |
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ORIGINAL: JeffB I'm gonna think about it for a few days- plus I need to wait for some $ to come in from my alphamax (we just didn't get along consistently-no contest compared to the Admiral which I can pick up and shoot no problem at any time-which I proved to myself again last night) After looking into it, The Guardian seems very similar spec-wise to my Admiral- speeds would be similar, Admiral has a bit more brace. But boy that guardian sure does draw smooth. It wasvery consistent day in and day out and just flat out fun to shoot. My Captainisfilling the void left by my Guardian very nicely. Again Good luck!! Consistent shooting was what I was looking for in 03 when I shot my first BowTech and they have Never disappointed since. Dan |
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Jeff, I still have muy two Guardians but I did give one to my Grandson for a Birthday gift;). The one I have is set up for 3D at 60/29 and shoots a 400 Lightspeed 300 fps at 325 grains. It has a bit smaller valley than what's known to be on the Captain/Admiral,, just a goodsparky feeling at the shot. They are quiet but hefty, a good thing if you're not into hunting long and away from the truck:D
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I have an 07 and really like it. I haven't had any problems with it at all. It is a great bow and will be with me for a long time.
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ORIGINAL: JeffB I found a brand new one-in Fuggly Oak Obsession- leftover obviously, for a very good price.   |
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The hot tip of the day is if you have a Guardian, turn the slide upside down and cross the cables under the rod. You'll need to re-sync your cams but they will be in perfect sync from brace to full draw. I did this on mine yesterday. You'll notice that it looks like the cables will rub but it won't bother or wear then any at all. Slip a dollar bill between them and there is VERY little pull needed to slip it out from between the cables. Just keep them waxed and you'll be fine.
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RE: Bowtech Guys- Please School me
ORIGINAL: walks with a gimp The hot tip of the day is if you have a Guardian, turn the slide upside down and cross the cables under the rod. You'll need to re-sync your cams but they will be in perfect sync from brace to full draw. I did this on mine yesterday. You'll notice that it looks like the cables will rub but it won't bother or wear then any at all. Slip a dollar bill between them and there is VERY little pull needed to slip it out from between the cables. Just keep them waxed and you'll be fine. Derek |
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In order to acheive 65% let-off you'll need these caps.
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what does changing where the cables cross do?
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Thanks Pat, and all the rest for your comments.
After sleeping on it and thinking it over for a few days, I see no significant advantage of the Guardian over my Admiral- speeds will be similar, Admiral has more brace, but gives up a couple of inches A2A. The Guardian sure draw smooth, but with me shooting the Admiral as well as I am- I'm gonna stick with it. |
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ORIGINAL: pureadrenaline what does changing where the cables cross do? It allows the cams to be perfectly sync'd and oriented at brace and stay that way through out the draw to full draw with the mod stops making contact at the same time for a solid wall. If the cams are sync'd at full draw with the cables crossing above the rodand then the cables are crossed below the rod, the mod stops won't hit at the same time. If sync'd at full draw with the mod stops and the cables are crossed above the rod,the cams in reality areout of sync with the top cam retarded at brace. If the cables are crossedbelow the rod and then the cams are sync'd at full draw with the mod stops, the cams will be in perfect orientation and unison with each other throughout the draw cycle.. Your bow will be one with the universe, the sky will clear, the winds will diminish and the birds will sing with praise of your fantastic accuracy;) |
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