carbon or aluminum?
04-06-2009, 07:48 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
ORIGINAL: Sniper151
I shoot only aluminum Super Slam's in 2514 with 125 gr. tips. Hunting, target and 3-D. I'm not a fan of carbon arrows.
I shoot only aluminum Super Slam's in 2514 with 125 gr. tips. Hunting, target and 3-D. I'm not a fan of carbon arrows.
derek
04-10-2009, 08:39 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
ORIGINAL: cherokee_outfitters
I've always preferred the weight for penetration especially for elk. But i'm new to the carbon world so I really can't say. I know a miss on a target that hits a rock pretty much has the same effect on the arrow, it's a dead soldier. Time will tell for me. I trully don't know but my ole alums were always on the money.
I've always preferred the weight for penetration especially for elk. But i'm new to the carbon world so I really can't say. I know a miss on a target that hits a rock pretty much has the same effect on the arrow, it's a dead soldier. Time will tell for me. I trully don't know but my ole alums were always on the money.
Bobby
04-16-2009, 05:09 PM
#14
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jun 2003
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
I'm also not a fan of carbon arrows.
Durability: never been an issue for me, an arrow lost in the bush is lost be it carbon or aluminum.
Weight: I prefer heavy, most carbons are made light.
Price: Have you seen the cost of high grade carbon!!! Outrageous!
Durability: never been an issue for me, an arrow lost in the bush is lost be it carbon or aluminum.
Weight: I prefer heavy, most carbons are made light.
Price: Have you seen the cost of high grade carbon!!! Outrageous!
04-17-2009, 12:48 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
ORIGINAL: 121553
Yeah, I was an ole die hard fart too but the carbons you'll find out that those pins will be tighter because of the speed. Don't worry about k/c, it will be there.
Bobby
ORIGINAL: cherokee_outfitters
I've always preferred the weight for penetration especially for elk. But i'm new to the carbon world so I really can't say. I know a miss on a target that hits a rock pretty much has the same effect on the arrow, it's a dead soldier. Time will tell for me. I trully don't know but my ole alums were always on the money.
I've always preferred the weight for penetration especially for elk. But i'm new to the carbon world so I really can't say. I know a miss on a target that hits a rock pretty much has the same effect on the arrow, it's a dead soldier. Time will tell for me. I trully don't know but my ole alums were always on the money.
Bobby
Here is my pro-elite. First is @ 400gr. 60# 30"DL 305fps IBO
Total Arrow Weight:
400
Bow IBO Speed:
305
Adjustment for Draw Length:
0
Adjustment for Draw Weight:
-20
Adjustment for Arrow Weight:
-17
Adjustment for Weight on String:
-3
Calculated Speed:
265 fps
Kinetic Energy:
62.39
The second is the same bow figures, but with a 300gr. ibo weight arrow
Total Arrow Weight:
300
Bow IBO Speed:
305
Adjustment for Draw Length:
0
Adjustment for Draw Weight:
-20
Adjustment for Arrow Weight:
17
Adjustment for Weight on String:
-3
Calculated Speed:
299 fps
Kinetic Energy:
59.57
ONly 34fps different, but the extra KE + momentum of the heavier set up would be far worth it imo. Finding a nice median is the way to balance speed, but not loose momentum.I would say a 380gr. arrow would be anice setup if i were to hunt deer with that particularbow. Last year was my first year hunting with a bow shooting over 275 (it was shooting about 300 with a mid 300gr. arrow weight) and it was no better for killing deer. 20fps or so isnt worth a pass thru for me...
Total Arrow Weight:
380
Bow IBO Speed:
305
Adjustment for Draw Length:
0
Adjustment for Draw Weight:
-20
Adjustment for Arrow Weight:
-10
Adjustment for Weight on String:
-3
Calculated Speed:
272 fps
Kinetic Energy:
62.44
Just my .02
Derek
04-19-2009, 09:44 PM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Mississippi
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
I don't hunt elk, I only hunt deer so mayby this is not applicable, but I have shot dozens of deer over the years with cabon arrows and have never had a problem with Kenetic Energy or pass throughs.. A well placed shot with a sharp head is more important than a fast/light or slow/heavy arrow... We all shot what we are confident in and what we have had sucess with, that's the best way to be....
04-20-2009, 10:32 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
ORIGINAL: odom82
I don't hunt elk, I only hunt deer so mayby this is not applicable, but I have shot dozens of deer over the years with cabon arrows and have never had a problem with Kenetic Energy or pass throughs.. A well placed shot with a sharp head is more important than a fast/light or slow/heavy arrow... We all shot what we are confident in and what we have had sucess with, that's the best way to be....
I don't hunt elk, I only hunt deer so mayby this is not applicable, but I have shot dozens of deer over the years with cabon arrows and have never had a problem with Kenetic Energy or pass throughs.. A well placed shot with a sharp head is more important than a fast/light or slow/heavy arrow... We all shot what we are confident in and what we have had sucess with, that's the best way to be....
04-20-2009, 10:48 AM
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Idaho
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
I asked an engineer from Easton basically the same question, although with an emphasis on penetration. His reply went something like this.
'Shoot an aluminum arrow at a concrete wall. The arrow will bounce off the wall and land several feet away from the wall. Shoot a carbon arrow with the same mass at the same wall. The carbon arrow will hit the wall and essentially drop down, landing very near the wall.'
The neaning of all that is that the carbon arrow delivered more momentum to the target than the aluminum arrow. The difference being the material of construction. Carbon arrows behave with the properties of carbon, and alluminum arrows behave with the properties of aluminum (imagine that!).
'Shoot an aluminum arrow at a concrete wall. The arrow will bounce off the wall and land several feet away from the wall. Shoot a carbon arrow with the same mass at the same wall. The carbon arrow will hit the wall and essentially drop down, landing very near the wall.'
The neaning of all that is that the carbon arrow delivered more momentum to the target than the aluminum arrow. The difference being the material of construction. Carbon arrows behave with the properties of carbon, and alluminum arrows behave with the properties of aluminum (imagine that!).
04-20-2009, 06:03 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: carbon or aluminum?
ORIGINAL: bow_hunter44
I asked an engineer from Easton basically the same question, although with an emphasis on penetration. His reply went something like this.
'Shoot an aluminum arrow at a concrete wall. The arrow will bounce off the wall and land several feet away from the wall. Shoot a carbon arrow with the same mass at the same wall. The carbon arrow will hit the wall and essentially drop down, landing very near the wall.'
The neaning of all that is that the carbon arrow delivered more momentum to the target than the aluminum arrow. The difference being the material of construction. Carbon arrows behave with the properties of carbon, and alluminum arrows behave with the properties of aluminum (imagine that!).
I asked an engineer from Easton basically the same question, although with an emphasis on penetration. His reply went something like this.
'Shoot an aluminum arrow at a concrete wall. The arrow will bounce off the wall and land several feet away from the wall. Shoot a carbon arrow with the same mass at the same wall. The carbon arrow will hit the wall and essentially drop down, landing very near the wall.'
The neaning of all that is that the carbon arrow delivered more momentum to the target than the aluminum arrow. The difference being the material of construction. Carbon arrows behave with the properties of carbon, and alluminum arrows behave with the properties of aluminum (imagine that!).
J/k man I got ya lol! I have seen that whole arrow off of a brick wall[:@] The back of our indoor 3d range is brick and ive sent a few carbons and aluminums into the wall. Ive seen an a/c/c and a radialxweave (that one was my doing
) come out undamaged (as far as appearance anyways). Derek