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Thread on AT ( One bow to do it all)
There is a thread on AT right now where someone asked if you had to have one bow to shoot indoor/outdoor targets with as well as hunt, what would it be?
I'm dumbfounded at some of the answers- several people have mentioned something like a Switchback XT or DXT as their one bow. I don't know about y'all but the LAST thing I would pick to be used for spots or distance would be something in the 29-31" A2A range- unless I couldn't care less what my scores were/how well I did. :eek: My choice would be something like the Elite XLR- I'd opt for a bit longer A2A (for today that is) and a higher brace height. I hunted for years with bows in the 38-44" A2A range with no issues. Even if I had a shorter draw-say 26" or something- I wouldn't be shooting anything less than 35" A2A. Don't get me wrong- I've had some real tack driver shorty short bows- my Mathews Outback was probably the most forgiving easy to shoot shorty I've owned-and kicked alot of my supposedly "more forgiving/accurate" bows to the curb- but no way in heck would I count on it to win on the Vegas face day in and day out or shoot a field round with. |
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The "One bow to do it all" IMHO would be much closer to the full out target rig (Hoyt Pro or Ultra Elite) rather than a more hunting oriented rig.
For years people hunted with bows in the +41" range with little or no problems. A bow shooting under 240fps kill deer or elk just as dead as arrows moving 300+ fps. On the flip side of the coin, your 32" ATA bow is not going to be as at home on a 20yard indoor range as your 41" bow will be in the woods. If I were forced to choose one bow, it would be a ProElite with XT3000 limbs and the new SpiralX cams. Accuracy is accuracy, on the range or in the treestand. |
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I think there are other things to factor in with these newer bows as well. Geometry being one. These shorter, parallel limb bows feel like they are much longer than they really are. I realize that 32" is 32", but I think they feel longer, more stable than say a non parallel limb bow of the same specs. They're all riser. :D
I still like a bit longer ATA bow, 34-36" is as short as I'll go. I won't go any lower than 7" in brace either. With todays materials and designs, we're getting more than adequate speeds with 7". If I had pick one...wait, I already did. My Allegiance, in my hands, shoots very well regardless of what I'm doing with it. Jeff, I think that AM you got will fit the bill awefully nicely too. ;) |
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Eh, it's AT:D I, personally don't like anything much less than a 36" ATA and 7" brace. I don't hunt out of a blind, therefore I see no need for a short ATA. I do agree today's short ATA bows are shooting much nicer than the bows of the past, but there's still an added stability factor with the longer ATA. Right now, my 101st is my do-all go to bow. About perfect in every way for me.
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ORIGINAL: MGH_PA Eh, it's AT:D I, personally don't like anything much less than a 36" ATA and 7" brace. I don't hunt out of a blind, therefore I see no need for a short ATA. I do agree today's short ATA bows are shooting much nicer than the bows of the past, but there's still an added stability factor with the longer ATA. Right now, my 101st is my do-all go to bow. About perfect in every way for me. For me, I think something like the AM35 or the aforementioned 101st would be a good do-it-all type bow. I'm a big enough guy that the a-to-a length don't make that much difference as far as sneaking into a spot, because I still have to fit my big body into a spot as well, therefore, I don't see the great benefit of a short a-to-a bow for hunting in all honesty. |
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For me id have to say my 101st is my one bow to do all. It fits me perfectly and i can literally drive tacks with it. I actually planed on trading it this summer for a new one, but i like it so much i just cant do it. I can see myself owning this bow for a LONG time.
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So whats the scoop on the 101? What are the specs? I've never seen one- only the 82nd.
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RE: Thread on AT ( One bow to do it all)
ORIGINAL: 98Redline The "One bow to do it all" IMHO would be much closer to the full out target rig (Hoyt Pro or Ultra Elite) rather than a more hunting oriented rig. For years people hunted with bows in the +41" range with little or no problems. A bow shooting under 240fps kill deer or elk just as dead as arrows moving 300+ fps. On the flip side of the coin, your 32" ATA bow is not going to be as at home on a 20yard indoor range as your 41" bow will be in the woods. If I were forced to choose one bow, it would be a ProElite with XT3000 limbs and the new SpiralX cams. Accuracy is accuracy, on the range or in the treestand. |
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ORIGINAL: JeffB So whats the scoop on the 101? What are the specs? I've never seen one- only the 82nd. |
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ORIGINAL: MGH_PA ORIGINAL: JeffB So whats the scoop on the 101? What are the specs? I've never seen one- only the 82nd.  ) |
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Cast another vote for the 101. I love mine. JeffB, you are a spec guy right? I have in at a 30 inch draw 63 lbs.
3D setup 331 grain arrow at 329 fps. Hunting setup 447 grain arrow at 295 fps. Prob. the most overlooked bow in the 2008 lineup. It's been my do it all bow. I do have an Air Raid on order and then the 101 will likely become more 3Dish, but I still see it in the deer woods next season. |
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ehh..you long draw guys piss me off[:@]
 Great performance. Yeesh. I'd be slinging some CT Rhinos with that thing |
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I'd probably chose my 2003 Protec xt2000 with spirals, set at a conservative 55 lbs. properly stabilized, I could hit dang near anything I aimed at at a reasonable distance.
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I would take my 737 right now for triple duty. The next two would be either the Alphamax 35 or the Drenalin LD.
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The 101 for a do it all Bow??
I'd take the Sentinel anyday. Nice speed,adequately smoothdraw, super forgiving, unbelieveably shock free and quiet. Truth is, on spots speed means nothing, and the Sentinel has way more than enough speed for hunting and 3D. Dan |
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ORIGINAL: MeanV2 The 101 for a do it all Bow?? I shoot 58# for spots and hunting. 61# for 3D. The draw cycle is perfectly smooth for all applications, and it has the ATA and BH that's in that "do-all" range. All personal preference of course. |
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So the 101 has the same cams as the 82nd?
Are there smooth and speed modules? cos the last few inches on the 2009 82nd I messed with is a complete beast-makes the center-trak cam/cp riser bows feel like Martin Sonic wheel |
RE: Thread on AT ( One bow to do it all)
ORIGINAL: JeffB So the 101 has the same cams as the 82nd? Are there smooth and speed modules? cos the last few inches on the 2009 82nd I messed with is a complete beast-makes the center-trak cam/cp riser bows feel like Martin Sonic wheel
There are no smooth/speed mods available to my knowledge. |
RE: Thread on AT ( One bow to do it all)
ORIGINAL: JeffB So the 101 has the same cams as the 82nd? Are there smooth and speed modules? cos the last few inches on the 2009 82nd I messed with is a complete beast-makes the center-trak cam/cp riser bows feel like Martin Sonic wheel
IMHO the 82nd was quieter, every bit as shootable, & faster to boot. I tore down my 101st after 6 weeks and built an 82nd. I'd say I was hardly the only one to notice these traits and I'm sure that was the Big reason the 101st was dropped this year. I am No competetion shooter by any stretch, but the 82nd was a tack driver for me in 90 degree heat and at 20 degrees below zero when I killed my 4X4 Mulie. As much as I loved the 82nd I still wouldn't pick it as an all around bow. Well I might since all I do anymore is Hunt;) Dan |
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Dan, curious. Is all that is needed for the switch new limbs, cables and strings, then? I was considering doing this since I heard this from you a while back, and I'm a bit shorter draw, and wouldn't mind the little extra speed.
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Hmm.. interesting. I actually liked the way the 82nd felt/shot-considering the speed. But it would def be a 60 pound or less draw weight bow. I thought the Xforce drew nicer to be honest and it was quieter/less vibey, but the 82nd had a better hold/valley and was more stable.
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RE: Thread on AT ( One bow to do it all)
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA Dan, curious. Is all that is needed for the switch new limbs, cables and strings, then? I was considering doing this since I heard this from you a while back, and I'm a bit shorter draw, and wouldn't mind the little extra speed. I was puzzled by the 82nd being quieter, but yet being faster. IMO the longer limbs create a little more vibration and thus a tad more noise also. Neither bow is really loud, but there was a noticeable difference. Dan |
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ORIGINAL: JeffB Hmm.. interesting. I actually liked the way the 82nd felt/shot-considering the speed. But it would def be a 60 pound or less draw weight bow. I thought the Xforce drew nicer to be honest and it was quieter/less vibey, but the 82nd had a better hold/valley and was more stable. One thing I'll say is the X-Force definitely shot hard. Dan |
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No worries Dan- I didn't think the X-force was loud or shocky (overly-so considering)- nor the 82nd- just the 82nd had a bit more noise and vibe than the Xforce. I expected both to be much worse than they were! Everyone is different though and perceives some things differently.
Here's a good example- The guys at my shop totally went ape-poopie over how much "shock" was in the new Mathews Reezen 6.5 - "its horrible,", etc. They told me "you gotta feel this.." I shot the bow without a damper, with the stock alum damper, and the new doorknob damper- while no doubt without the damper the bow had a little pulse from quite a bit of string oscillation- I frankly didn't think it was a big deal at all- especially considering how quite and speedy the bow is. With a decent stabilzer, and limbsavers (which go on any solid limb bow I buy), I can't imagine anyone complaining bout that bow. It has other issues that concern me (riser torque!), but the "vibe issue" is not an issue IMO. |
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Jeff, it's interesting you bring up the Reezen. I had opposite results with that bow. I shot it for a while a couple weeks ago at my shop and IMO, it's a stinker. The bow I shot was loaded down with Sims stab, sight, and just a standard prong rest. I haven't felt that much vibration in a bow in quite a long time to be honest. It almost felt as if something was loose on the bow.
I also did a test with the new harmonic door knob they sent. While it did help quite a bit, it was still more than I would pay 800 bills for. I also put two of the big harmonics in and the second one didn't really help much more. I realize Mathews states its only needed on the bottom, but I just wanted to see for comparison's sake. I think a good string supressor would do wonders on that bow though. Most of the vibe is coming from string oscillation. |
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Thats my point- everyone percieves things differently.
Of course- I've seen enough with the Reezen 6.5 to think that they may be varyng widely as well. I wouldn;t mind having one if I wasn't seeing the (scary!) riser torque at full draw- I don't know if they are ALL like that, but the ones I've seen are. The top of the riser BENDS at full draw.  |
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The top of the riser is bending?!?! Holy S@#T. I gotta get to the shop tonight and check this out. :D
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I didn't notice it either until the dealer had me draw it and look
Here is my post in another thread from several weeks ago My shop owner friend went over the other night, grabbed their demo reezen off the shelf turned down the weight gave me some kind of "shop" release from trufire that has no trigger mechanism/won't fire and asked me to draw it back. I'd checked it out/drawn before, so I wasn't sure why until he told me to look at the riser at full draw- can you say "pretzel"? The riser was angled off to the right significantly at full draw, both top and bottom near the limb pockets. Blatantly "bent" for lack of a better term. The bow has not been pressed incorrectly either- they have two (3?) of those ez power presses,and have been pressing bows including tecs, mathews and BTs for many years. I don't know if thats something Mathews is doing on purpose to counteract torque cause by the grip and rollerguard (it's possible I guess..so is me winning the lotto), but I kinda doubt it.  The only other Mathews Ive ever seen like that are Q2XLs and the original Conquests- those risers were very bendy- saw several right out of the box goofy and my Q2XL got bent by an inexperienced bow technician. Regardless, I'd suggest everyone do the same thing (check the riser, especially at full draw) who is looking at the Reezen before dropping the cash-and make sure your dealer knows what he is doing and uses a proper modern press like the X press/ EZ press, etc. Also the draw lengths on the Reezen are running 7/8 to 1 inch long instead of the typical 3/8 to 1/2" Mathews have always run. Normally I shoot a 28.5" cam on a Mathews, and I'd have to drop to a 28 on the Reezen. EDIT- this is the 6.5" inch brace. Haven't seen a 7 yet. < Message edited by JeffB -- 1/25/2009 8:55:15 AM > |
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The one and only... For me and my 30" draw speed is usually no issue, so w/out further adue...
Hoyt- Ultra-Elite Mathews-DLD BT-Sentinal or Constitution PSE-the biggest Xforce lol! Out of all of them picking only one, the ultra-elite. Good speeds, good BH, long enuff ATA, and a stiff riser... I watched a guy this weekend shoot a 300 58X with one. Some people say they arent as forgiving:eek: Most of the guys shots were inside out x's. He just had a few that werent in the pocket. Derek Derek |
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ORIGINAL: muzzyman88 I think a good string supressor would do wonders on that bow though. Most of the vibe is coming from string oscillation. Dan |
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ORIGINAL: drockw The one and only... For me and my 30" draw speed is usually no issue, so w/out further adue... Hoyt- Ultra-Elite Mathews-DLD BT-Sentinal or Constitution PSE-the biggest Xforce lol! Out of all of them picking only one, the ultra-elite. Good speeds, good BH, long enuff ATA, and a stiff riser... I watched a guy this weekend shoot a 300 58X with one. Some people say they arent as forgiving:eek: Most of the guys shots were inside out x's. He just had a few that werent in the pocket. With the same bow you could also get good ibo speeds, easily attain 280 for ASA with lower DW, AND keep speed if one wanted to shoot FITA;) Derek |
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