Peep Tube Decreased Speed???
 

I complained to my Archery shop owner about the maintenance (having to change the tube periodically as it dry rots & cracks) and the posibility of it breaking while hunting, so he just took the rubber tube off and showed me how the peep will work without the tube.........He showed me how to rotate my knocking loop to keep the peep lined up as the string streches.........Not knowing if I liked this I put my tube back on and my grouping dropped 5" ...... What technically is the reason for the decreased speed just because the peep tube is tied to the string?
Seems to me the streched tube would aid the speed rather than slow the speed??
Your comments will be apreciated.........

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if your groups drop 5" sounds like your ancher point is lower then before
you should go thu the steps of resetting your peep to match your ancher point
speed ? when you add weight to the sting it slows the bow down just like useing a heavier arrow. rubber tube and peep I have gained 3 to 6 fps when removing them give the timberline No peep a try if you don' t like the maintance with tube
there are other options to try
Greg

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I doubt very much that " speed" is the factor that you now have a 5" drop from POI.

Something moved or was moved. Did the person at the bow shop twist your string in an attempt to align your peep? Was your peep moved? If so, your nocking point height, peep height, and brace height were changed. Brace change not critical, nocking and peep height is. Change in peep height (eye to pin/anchor) would change your POI.

Also, wear and tear is the norm. Live it with it. Try quality surgical tubing that stretches.

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A peep tube will slow your speed down 5 fps or more because of the extra weight on the string. It will slap around and cause extra noise you don' t need. It will wear out and it will break, usually at the worst time possible. If you don' t have your peep served in tight, it can also pull your peep up the string when you draw the bow. I can' t, for the life of me, figure out why anyone would want something like that on their bow, but whatever wrinkles your prune.

To answer why your groups dropped 5" , you probably slid the peep down the string a bit without noticing it when you reinstalled the tube.

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I would also say that if your shooting that low your peep sight must have moved.

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Very unlikely reattaching the tubing caused your groups to drop that much. Something must have moved. Check everything again, or slip the tubing off the peep- shoot - and see if it moves 5' ' up.

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The tubing is probably causing your nock point to move up after release. Makes sense if you think about it, the extra pull of the tubing is taking any slack out of the string below it.

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On several occasions, when I still used peep tubing, I had the tubing break, or slide off the peep sight. At those times when I could still see through the peep sight, if I tried to keep shooting, I always shot high. When the peep tubing was replaced, I would shoot " back to normal" or lower than the peep without tubing. The effect was greater with a bow with 80%letoff. I think the peep tubing, especially if the tubing is tighter than it needs to be, pulls the string down, lowering the peep. The effect would be the same as lowering the peep on your string, except that it is pulled lower by the tubing. I' m not absolutely sure of this, but that is my theory. I' m pretty sure that the difference in impact point is not due to the difference in speed, which probably doesn' t amount to much more than a few fps. JMHO:)

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So what are the options to get rid of the tubing? I tried a No - Peep but it doesnt work for me. It does look like a good product for someone who can shoot with both eyes open.


P.S.
Anyone wanna buy a no-peep?

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There are no real other options on the market right now besides the no peep or the hindsight. You could attempt going with something like a fletcher peep that doesn' t use a tube. You would definitely want to get a high quality string that isn' t supposed to stretch much. Even with a good string, the peep has a good chance of rotating when taking the bow from hot to cold temperatures. If you come to full draw on a buck and the peep isn' t lined up...you get the idea

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Send that no-peep this way. I' ll put it on the wifes bow.

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Lots of people shoot a peep without the rubber tube. I really like the SuperPeep. Its light and small (won' t effect speed as much as a regular peep with rubber tubing) The other nice thing about the SuperPeep is you can change the inside peep diameter. If you' re going to shoot in door leauges you can put in a very small one. If you' re going to hunt, put in a larger hole or even take the whole center out. If you have a high quality string, training it to stay in the right position isn' t hard.

Good Luck!

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Thanks C4extrem,
My anchor point is the same, I believe you are right......The extra weigt is the problem..

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c903,
The person at the bow shop put me a new string on...I have this done every Spring....He is very careful to measure to make sure my kisser button, peep and knocking loop is in the same position year after year. I can shoot with the rubber tube on and shoot 5" lower than if I remove the rubber tube.........I guess it has to be the weight that causes the slow down I wonder how many fps we are talking about here? Thanks....

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Thanks to all for your comments...I really think my problem is the added weigt of the tubing........Tube off and I hit the bulls eys...Tube on and I group 5" low....

I have put the tube back on and lowered my sights to comensate for now.........

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e-mail me at [email protected] if you want the no peep.

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For your arrow to drop 5" at 20 yds you are talking about 60 fps diff in speed. The weight is not the reason.

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Dont know what everyone is thinking here . Replace your string with a winners choice string and use a true peep , end of problem . Speed or lack there of is not doing this its your sight picture . Its diferant with the rubber tube pulling on it . That tube is a pain , it can break at bad times or it can smack you in the eye , I' m sure someone has one of those stories . And its very loud , take it off and it will quiet your bow down allso .

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When the tube is disconnected, the peep is just riding in the string with no torque. When the tube is on, and there is tension, it will pull the top of the peep forward, creating a different sight picture. To make it look right, you are moving your anchor point up a little bit to look straight through it, causing the 5" of drop. Yes, they do slow them down some, but I think above is your problem.

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I would say this to all of you ( If you use a peep sight with a tube and the tube is pulling that hard on your peep, enough to screw up your sight window or break the tube that often, you most definitely have your rubber tube tied way to short.)
I' ve had my tube on my peep for 1 1/2 years with no failures yet and I probably shoot twice as much as half of you.

I would never hunt without a tube on my peep. a tubeless peep is going to fail to turn right way more often than a peep with a tube would ever fail!!!! JUST WHEN THAT TROPHY BUCK STEPS OUT IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!!!!!

so hence, I keep using the tube style of peeps.:)