Whammy Users.....
 

OK guys, I decided on a new rest to try out for a while, thanks in part to TFOX, the Spot Hogg Whammy. I haven't had a chance to install yet but was wondering for those that have, if you have any tips. I watched the video, read the instructions, etc and hope to get it setup this week.

One thing that I have already noticed though, is that on a Bowtech, its going to be very difficult, if not impossible to get this rest setup so that an arrow will pass through the berger holes on the bow. This concerns me as Ireally like to setup my bows to keep the arrow as low to the shelf as I can.

Anyway...lets here some input on this rest.:D

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Here are not too many rests that accomidate the bowtech setups. QAD is about the only one I know I have been able too. Except MZE where you can use em.

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I used that rest on my bow. I had the dealer that I purchased the bow from install it for me. It works really well, the only issue I have with it is that it moves so fast, the screws loosen up as time goes on, so make sure you keep them all nice and tight. Especially the one that keeps the rest itself placed upright in the launching position.

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Muzzy, first, it will be impossible to get your arrow to run center with the burger button hole on the Bowtech. I've been using the Whammy rests now for the last three years and have triedall three generation launcher arms to get the arrow to run center and it will not happen.
You DO NOT want the launcher arms coming into contact with the riser shelf as it drops away. So for this reason you have to raise the rest higher and this will cause your arrow to line up above the burger hole.
This will not affect the flight of your arrow once you've taken the time to tune the bow.
Start by setting the arrow to string angle at 90 degrees. Make absolutely certain that your launcher arms when depressed have at least 1/16" gap away from the shelf, otherwise the arms will bounce back prematurely and make contact with the vanes. You will need to run a powder test to check for proper vane clearance.
As for serving the cord, at full draw have someone mark your 'up' cable about 1-1/2" to 1-3/4" below your cable guard.
Use this mark for serving your cord and serve towards the "bottom cam" from that point. DO NOT serve up towards the rest.
Insert the allen key (provided with the rest) into the hole ofthe trigger and snug the cord so that the bottom of the trigger hole lines up with the top of the rest block.
Examine that the cord does not turn into the path of the vanes at full draw...if this happens loosen the allen nut on the trigger (reinstall the allen key into the trigger hole and depress the trigger) thenrotate the cord 180 degrees, snug the cord up againand again check to confirm there is cord clearance away from the vane.
You'll need to do this everytime you make vertical adjustments to the rest, hopefully, you'll only need to do this once or twice.
You can start by setting the windage for center shot, but most times you will have to adjust left or right of center to achieve a good paper tear. This willdepend on your arrow spine, the BH weight, cam alignment, tiller balance, bow torque, string creep etc.
You will also need to use the tamers on the launcher arms, otherwise you'll'hear' the drag of the arrow while moving to full draw.
Of course arrow friction on the tamers will take its toll and depending on how often you shoot, the tamers will quite quickly need replacing.
When tuned properly the Whammy works really well.

Shoot with cocked vane 'up'.

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Ampahunter, thanks for the tips. Hopefully, I'll get to bolt it up tonight and get it going. I was looking at things last night and yes, the cable thing kind of perplexed me as well. If you follow Spot Hogg's instructions, it appears that the down cable will bind the pull cord to the rest at full draw since they are quite close toward the cable slide. I don't see any option other than mounting the cord on the cable further down the cable.

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Awesome rest...only thing I dislike is if you are letting down on a deer at full draw without releasing an arrow the rest will click even if you hold the arrow while you let down...watch this b/c if you don't hold the arrow it will go bouncing off the rest.

Any reason you shoot cock vane up Ampahunter? I shoot cock vane down, without a problem...just curious.

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i tried setting one up on my diamond marquis 08 and have had many problems as stated above you need to eaise the rest quite high above the berger holes to stop the arms from slamming into the shelf so off it came and i think i will get the qad ultra seems to be a good rest for these type of bows

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ozbowhunter, just an FYI...

I had a QAD LD PRO and played with it a bit on my Allegiance and found that like the Whammy, you have to raise the rest higher than the berger holes to get it to lay flat on the shelf when down. It mounts very similar to the Whammy in that regard.

Honestly, and I know I may get hammered for this, but for the price of the QAD's, I expected them to be constructed of better materials (all metal). I know it has been a non issue for those shooting them, but it just doesn't seem right spending over 100 dollars for something that is half plastic.

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Lower the arms as much as possible first thing,then turn the arms so the arrows sits as far down in the arms as possible without falling through,that should get you really close to center of the hole.I was able to get mine through the center of the berger hole on my Hoyt without any trouble at all.Also use moleskin instead of the supplied prong covers and that will save some height as well.


Bowtech puts the hole lower than other manufactuers so if you are across the hole,you are probably about the same as most other bows on the market.


I can shoot 4 fletch vanes with the fletching turned so they would slam the rest if it didn't drop soon enough and I get no contact.

I measure 1 1/4" from the cable slide and that is where I serve in.

Here are some pics.

This is how I serve mine in.This one is actually an 07 model which I like better than the 08's but I have no issues on either bow with either model.








Paper tune with 3 feathers and 4 plastic fletch.




2 arrows shot at 23 yards.

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Just serve the cord on the outside of the up cable..TFOX has a good picture showing his serving. That's exactly how I do mine.
Using the cocked vane up you'll get a tad bit more clearancefor the hen vanes and the launcher arms. The launcher arms on the whammy restcurves out and can sometimes come into contact with the hen vanes when the cocked vane is nocked down.

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Just serve it in and then spin the chord untill it is out of the way and then tighten the set screw.I have had no issues with any binding.I have actually had no issues of anykind.

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TFOX, I was hoping you'd stop by this thread. ;)

So...last night I got it setup. The lowest I could get my arrow is with the bottom of the arrow about half way through the berger hole. I lowered the prongs all the way and fiddled with turning them. I haven't yet taken the plastic covers off the prongs.

One thing I had to do with the Allegiance is move the cord pretty far down the cable. If not, it would bind with the down cable. At full draw, I made a mark approximately 1 1/2 inches below the cross and tied in there. It's still close, but doesn't seem to interfere with the rest.

I set my nocking point and adjusted left/right on the rest to get me in the neighborhood and did a few powder tests. NO CONTACT first shot through.:D Man, this rest is VERY fast. I'm also noticing that it seems very quiet as well.

I'll get to paper tuning some night this week and try to finalize my settings. But so far, I'm pretty impressed. Setup WAS NOT difficult at all.

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also if you lower the whammy arms down int the support arm you get clearance problems with the hen vanes

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ozbowhunter, if you need to, shoot cock vane up. This rest is so quick that I believe it won't pose any issue.

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to late :Dits sold and gone i agree its a nice rest but i didnt like the way it was on the bow even the back of the rest was to close to the bus cables

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Muzzy,if you take the covers off and put moleskin on them,then that will lower you and get you a little closer to dead center.Just make sure the rest isn't slamming into the shelf and lower the vertical adjustment as much as possible.


The rest is kinda scary from the outside looking in but once you set one up and learn to do it properly,you actually find out is is one of the simplest to set up.


I have my prongs lowered to the max and I have turned my prongs so the arrow sits down further and I have no contact issues,even with 4 fletch.As I stated earlier.

To me,one of the best things about the rest is the micro adjustment.This is a must for me and the way I like to tune.

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Hey TFOX, I fiddled with it a while tonight and honestly, on this bow and I'm fairly certain any Bowtech, it is almost impossible to get it anywhere near dead center on the hole. The lowest I could get it was about 1/4 of the hole covered. I can live with it since it only took 4 shots to paper tune.:D

I did mess with the prong rotation and I have it to a point where I'd have to stand on my head to get the arrow to come off. So far, I'm really diggin this thing. Honestly, the setup of this rest is so simple. The most difficult part IMO is figuring out how far down the cable to hook in. For my Allegiance, I had to go pretty far down to get it to clear the cables at full draw.

I can't wait to get it to the shop to really put some arrows through it.

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1/4 of the way down is probably about the same as any other berger hole on most bows on the market,BT hole is lower than most.

IMO,the lower the better but there does come a point when enough is enough.

It is definately one of the easiest rest to tune.Great guidance and no contact issues,along with micro adjustment makes it a breeze.

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On a side note,I was shooting on a shop range a couple weeks ago and one of the techs notice my cock vane was up and he said to me,your vanes are going to hit.[&:]I said no they won't and he asked,you aren't shooting a fallaway are you?:D,Yes I am,then he took a closer look and said I tried to set one of those up and I couldn't get it to clear.:eek:He said he never saw it fall:D,I said you aren't going to.;)

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TFOX, you're right about the speed of this thing. It's almost baffling. I did a lipstick test last night (stolen from wife, not mine) and have zero contact issues shooting cock vane up.

One thing that I think is overlooked about this rest is the sheer amount of adjustability and options. There are plenty of adjustments in the rest to achieve pretty much any configuration you'd like. You can also get other prongs for it if you wish.

Of course I'm assuming this rest can take the abuse of the deer woodsas well. ;)

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It took the abuse for me this year and passed with flying colors and the adjustments are definately a plus.Another nice thing about the micro adjustment I like is the aluminum doesn't get smashed like with rest that don't have micro adjustment when group tuning.So you don't have to go in with a file to get it to move smoothly again.


I liked the previous prongs on the 07 model better for clearance but they didn't have as much containment.


If I shot a Bowtech,I would probably get the rest lower,one way or another.I would most likely modify a set of prongs I have laying around.[8D]

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Muzzy, you can see the rest arm drop away. Draw the bow back and 'slowly' let her down (WITHOUT firing thebow)...if your timing is close to 'perfect' you'll see the trigger fire about an inch or so before the string settles at brace.

You can also spray the powder on the arrow shaft and you will see the prong lines travel all the way down the arrow and about5"-6" from the nock theprong lines ends..telling you how far down the shaft the arrow sits on the prongs.