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I didn't assume anything LOL I was going on what you said ;)

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Yeah take notice I said he has been KNOWN to increase the performance of the bow -- more often than not he does -- read close next time please before ya jump on me

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Jump on you ? I thought I was just disagreeing with you about sending a bow away to get 15FPS.

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Its not about getting 15 fps...that was just an extra perk I threw in there that I saw he had done on numerous occasion(because if you go back and read his first post he wanted to break the 270 mark). And since he lives in Missouri he wouldn't have to send his bow away. Hence the reason I recommended Crackers so highly. We will just agree to disagree -- maybe you know more than I do -- I'm sure there are lots of people who are better than Crackers at what he does

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Come on guys....Give him a break. He is just lending friendly advice....all of which I am happy to have. Everyone on here is throwing out their opinions. Thanks for the info and I will look into all of it and make the decision that I think suits my needs. Thanks again! Really all I want is a string with no niks that will hold my peep straight.;)

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I looked into it and Carters is all the way across the state from me. If I find myself in KC I might have to stop in. But I am from STL. Thanks for the suggestion, I really appreciate it!

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OK. I have read every post now. All caught up and may I say that you guys need to chillax. Wow!

In the case of the original poster, I would have to agree with FSU as far as to that it would be foolish not to at least visit Cracker's shop sometime. Maybe not now, but sometime. However, I think that as long as a string is made well by any company, it will shoot fine.

I sent out a PM to a few of the guys that I trust most on this forum asking what they look for in a good string, so that I can gain some information and apply it. I will let them remain nameless, but I must admit that the following is not my own work.

The most important thing about a good string are the servings. Are they tight to the string? Does the serving wind tightly against each pass or are there gaps? What kind of material are the serving made from? Are the serving ends finished in a way that they are not going to slip? For serving material I like crown from Brownell for center servings because it is extremely wear resistant, locks to the string fibers well, and is very slick which gives a good clean release. For the end servings I like HALO from BCY because if its durability and is very thin. The actual string mateial is really up to you and is dependant on what you want from your string. Some are faster but creep a lot , some are ultra stable but are heavier and slower, and some materials offer a good combination of speed and very low creep. It is best to explain to the string maker what you want from your string and go with their reccomendation. I personally like to use 452X because it is a thin material so it lays together very well and the strings are very round when finihsed and it offers a very good blend of speed and very very low creep.

That is from the guy that I trust most on this forum. I agree with this completely and the next set that I order from Vapor Trail will be 452x. I want to compare it to the VTX that I have right now and think is absolutely great.

Now, I think I have made it clear that I think a well made string will shoot well and that my Vapor Trails shoot well. From this we can deduct that Vapor trail makes high quality strings. I have tried several manufactures of strings on super aggressive bows like the x-force and 82nd and in the end, I thought that Vapor Trail was the best. I have not shot Bucknasty or Cracker's.

I noticed that you seem a little tight on funds and I know someone who can help you out. Send MeanV2 a PM. He owns his own shop and can order Vapor Trails for you for the best price I have ever seen on strings and cables. He made me promise not to repeat it, so I cannot tell you what it was, but he can and would be glad to sell you a set for a great price.

Hope this helps.

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Because you could live in Missouri -- as I obviously do -- and still be six hours away from him, as I am. ;)

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He is willing to drive from Ohio to Saint Paul because I can get Diamond bows for cheap at Gander Mountain. You just need to put things into perspective.

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One more thing that makes a quality string is the direction of the serving,which imo,is where the mass producers for bow companies blow it big time.One end will be 1 direction and the other end will be the opposite,when both ends should be the same direction as the twist.

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THanks a lot....I will send him a PM and see what he can do for me. I was really leaning toward the VT's from the start but I figured I would at least look into every option.

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If that last comment was directed at my reply, let me make it a bit more clearer: You'd be STUPID to drive six hours to pick up a pair of strings from Mike, no matter how well he builds them. ;) Now... I fully concur with shooting Dan (MeanV) a PM; he'll treat you right, and it'd be hard to get a nicer set of strings than VT's -- especially for the price.

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You will be surprised. I know I was.

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Thanks guys....so you were thinking the 452x would be the best way to go? I had been looking at the VTX a lot lately.

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I have the VTX right now and think that they are great. MeanV2 feels the same way. However, I am going to try the 452x just because. Still from Vapor Trail of course.

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Thanks....let me know what you think of it. I think i am going to go with the VTX for now.

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You won't be disappointed.

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Bud, I don't mean to come off as rude, but just a few weeks ago, you pm me wanting to know how to broadhead tune but now you want to give advise on if a guy should change out a string/cables. You didn't know what broadhead planing was, but now you know carter is the best in the business. I think you need to get this chip off.

I mean your over here advising people to change out strings when you have never done it, just read about it???

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You know I never knew that. I probably should since I do this with an endless loop trad string.

Do you think this is the cause forserving separation issue? What issues with winding opposite cause?

And man I got to ask, whats with the wild picture you have on your avatar?:D

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Been wondering that myself.

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That is my 13 year old (14 now)daughter's go to hell look andplaying around with the camera.

The biggest issue you have with serving not being the same with the twist is a string that will not settle,therefore,a peep that constantly rotates.Which means an inconsistant string.

I don't build string but my guy has discussed this with me and not sure if he ever mentioned the speparation issue being a result but seems plausible to me.

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Asside from the Avatar thing i did not know or realize that either. I have "crackers" strings and my serving is starting to seperate with about 1000 shots on them[>:] maybe that is the culprit. is there any way to tell TFOX?

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I was think about it, and if a serving is opposite strung,I could see the string fighting against each side and slowly becoming looser rubbing against the cam every shot. Maybe not, just got me wondering.

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I would like to second this. I have gotten a few sets of VT strings from Dan and, when needed, plan on getting more from him :D:D.

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Dang, I wish you had said this 2 weeks ago LOL. I reserved the end on my buddy's string. Don't know if I went in the direction of the twist or not but I will definitely pay attention to that in the future. Thanks very much for all of your extremely informative posts on technical aspects of archery .

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He did set me up with a great deal. Thanks everyone for your help!

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My guy took a magnifying glass to one of my stock bows once and he could tell,not exactly sure what he was looking for.But,he said one end was right and the other end was not.

I doubt Crackers would be doing it incorrectly.

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Do we know if Vapor Trail is doing it right. I would assume so because min look as good as new with 10,000+ shots on them from my 82nd.

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I would assume so as well.


Like I have stated earlier,I do not build mine.I have someone with YEARS of experience and tons of credibility and accomplishments in this area and this was some info he gave me.

It might be something that not all agree with,not sure but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.;)


I wish I had a pic of a couple of strings he built for me.It was a tri colored BUT,not in the normal sense.There was a base color that ran the full length but at the top,the base color had one color with it and at the bottom,the base had a DIFFERENT color with it.So,it looked like it was a 2 color string,but it was just 2 different colors at the top than it was at the bottom.:) He said he could only do that with certain length strings.

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So, someone explain to me how in the world you could get both end servings going in the same direction as the twist in the string and have them finish properly.

The wayI understand it, and the way I serve a string is to start at the loop and finish toward the center of the string.

This will cause one serving to wrap with the twist and the other to wrap against the twist.

So if both are wraping with the twist how do you finish the one that is going to end at the loop rather then ending toward the center?

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I will ask,but he told me that is what was correct.(or maybe what he feels is best)Like I said,I do not build strings.

But,it seems you would just have to change the direction in which you start.He does not use a machine,he still does it by hand.

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I thought about this again later, after I posted the question, and I said to my self..... Well Duuuuuuuuuh. ;)

Sometimes the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.

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What you do it what most do and I believe it is perfectly accepted but I feel this is one of those "tricks" of the trade that he learned many years ago.

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I believe you are right and I have never really thought about it before now but it makes perfect sense.

I learned something new today.