Walk-Back Tuning ?
 

In another post people are recommending "Walk-Back Tuning" - what is it?

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Start at about 3 yards and shoot at a target.Move yoursight (for doug)so you are hitting that target where you want. At least adjust your windage. Don't worry too much about up and down adjustments. Walkback is generally for rest windage adjustments.

Now walk back to 20 maybe 30 yards. Shoot a few arrows. If you are hitting left and right as you want, then move back to 40-50 yards.

Lets say at 50 yards, you hit 6" to the right, move your rest to the left until you are lined up horizontially. Now that you moved your rest, start over. Go back to 5 yards again. Adjust your sights so you are hitting horizontially exacly where you want. Start walking back again, making adjustments to the rest. Do this until you are satisfied to 60 yards.

In the end, you want to be able to hit same POI (horizontially) as out to 60 yards.

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Do you use your 20 yard pin for every shot?

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Go to ArcheryTalk.com and search for walkback tuning. There are much better discussions over there. I personally don't walkback to 60 yrds and I don't move my sights at all. Walkback tuning is for minute tuning ofyour rest.

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At least I hope??

For me, I eyeball everything, sight in a pin at 20 yds, maybe start at 10 or so, then zero a pin at 20. Then I shoot the same pin at 30 and 40 yds, HOPING (note: if it ever happens, I'll probably have a Heart Attack), but HOPING that the arrows fall in a straight line like this " l ", but more often than not, they will fall like this " \ ", or this " / ". If the pattern of the arrows falls like this " / ", then more the rest a tiny bit, 1/16 - 1/32" to the right, re-zero (optional depending on how close that 20yd shot hits when you shoot again), and shoot again. Basically, you are trying to CENTER the rest a best as you can, and you move the rest in the direction you want the longer distance arrow to go. After that, you can throw on some BH's and see how closely your BH fly to your FP's, OR BEFORE if you like, as I usually adjust my rest a little bit after a walkback when I put BH's on, because I find I wasn't quite as precise as I thought I was. Here's a good link on BH tuning.... http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=539460 Over 30,000 views for GOOD reason!!!

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Maybe this will help -- don't say I never gave ya nothin:

http://www.redhawk-archery.com/walkback.html

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=646202&highlight=modified

if the second link doesn't work that means AT is down(happens way too often) try again in 15 minutes

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You can use any pin you want. Your adjusting your rest for centering. Not for elevation.

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Doug, I am starting to think you hang onto my every word.

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Guys, I am not sure how much a better discussion one needs on it. Its one of the simplest things a person can do.

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Does it have the same basic effect of paper tuning? Getting your arrow to fly out straight by adjusting your rest?

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Pretty much. Just paper tuning is not as sensitive. In other words, you might get a good tear on paper but still be off BH tuning or walkback. But then if you BH tune, and go back to paper, still have a good tear, or even better, or more consistent.

Paper tune for me is just a starting point.

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I'll tell you that I HONESTLY WON'T "paper tune," because I've found that it really tell me nothing other than whether or not I have a clean release. Paper tune a bow and put it on a range and find it's off, then what was the point in paper-tuning in the first place??? For me, I eyeball everything, shoot the bow, and see where I'm at, and start adjusting, usually first with a "Walk-back", then with BH tuning.


BC,
??? "Hang on your every word"??? Nah, I could just picture this guy with a sight that was way messed up trying to figure out why moving his rest was going to help anything. Not bashing, just trying to save some guy from THROWING his bow and saying "&$#%@ IT!!!!"

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Well it looks like this method only gives you the side to side allignment for your arrow. If you don't paper tune....How do you do up and down?

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That's what the BH tuning is for. I can eyeball it pretty close, then tweak with a BH on the tip from 20-30yds. Once I have both BH and FP's hitting the same POI,I'm done. A lot of guysfight with paper tuning a bow and then find it won't throwBH's worth a darn, then have to BH tune to tweak their bow to what's "tuned." I justby-pass the paper tuning part, because it's tediousand really doesn't get me anywhere. I can just as easilyspend a couple hours in my yard and set a bow up to do what I want it to without ever shooting through paper.

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Paper is good for one thing. And thats vertical adjustments. But bareshaft is better, and BH's after that, and your set.

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Yes.

For me, tuning is not something that occurs as a seperate event. I use the laser for initial set-up and thenpaper tune. Lastly, Igo to my target for walkback. But first, I will set my sights and be ready to hunt with the bow. Walkback is something that I do over a period of several days or even weeks. It gives me many chances to shoot the bow while I am fresh. Before, I make a change,I verify the results by shooting the bow 2-3 times. It's a drawn out process not a distinctive one day event.

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Kevin,
Try this, just eyeball everything, do a quick walk-back, 5-10-15-20-25yds, and tweak, then throw BH's on, and re-tweak, you could be done in an afternoon, tuning a bow shouldn't take "weeks," and if it is, you're likely taking steps that you don't need to. I'm still on the long walk-back myself, but the more I read, I'm considering doing a shorter walkback like I mention initially, and I've also considered zero'ing ONE pin, and BH tuning right from the start to see if it gets me to my endpoint quicker. There are MANY ways to tune a bow, but I think for MOST of us, it comes down to being able to put BH and FP's to a same or similar POI out to our desired hunting distance. For me at 40yds, I'll stack FP and BH's on a similar POI, and I have as much confidence in a 40yd BH shot as a 40yd FP shot as long as its not WINDY!!!

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That really does sumit up pretty well.

I also agree that it does not have to be a long drawn out process either. I can paper tune, 3-5 arrows, bareshaft tune 8-10 arrows at progressively longer ranges and walk back tune in a half hour but.................LOL

If you like tinkering, and I do, you can also leave your bow at centershot and tune your arrow instead. That takes more time as it may involve trimming length and changing tip weight while shooting through paper (this is one area where paper is very effective, IMO)and bareshafting. I believe a bow performs better when it is as close to centershot as possible.

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paper tuning is good for setting up center shot but and bareshaft etc... but if you think about it, paper tuning is nothing close to the cure all for tuning. if you shoot an arrow from 20 yards through the paper, what do you have... a bullet hole. your bow still may be out of tune even though it doesnt show on the paper. i think there are plenty of minute uses for paper, but not for fp/bh tuning. jmo.
Derek

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To do walkback tuning correctly , you ONLY use you 20 yard pin for all distances. As to how far back you can shoot is going to depend on how tall your target butt is and how flat shooting your bow is. But , as I said earlier, use your 20 yard pin only.

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Just curious, but why would it matter? Most every sight sold out there have all the pins lined up perfectly with windage. Unlike my old bows 25 years ago?

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^it really does make a difference. dont ask why, but you will get a / or \ when using your 20 yard pin at different distances. although you might be able to keep a perfect bulet hole from different distances by using the according pins, using the 20 at different distances will create a / or \. just do it and you will see;)
Derek

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I have tried and never seen it. The reason most people get the / or \ as you put it is because they are not holding thier bow vertical and consistent.. The all important bowlevel bubble should be used. I was just curious on why others say you should only use a 20 yard pin.

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I agree 100%

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BC , I am not smart enough to give you the reason why it works , just know that it does. I do walk back tuning on all my bows to set center shot and it works.

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I'm going to give this a try tomorrow.

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I usually get CLOSE with a walkback, but I almost always (I say almost, because I have gotten lucky ONCE!!!) end up having to tweak a little once I put the BH's on.

Guys I think using the 20 yd pin only will give you the / or \ or vertical "pattern" in your walk back. Now, theorically,if you aim at the same point using the 20 yd pin @ 20 yds, the 30 yd pin @ 30 yds, etc., and your rest is 'off' left or right, then you should see straight left or straight right stringing. If your rest is set correctly, your arrows should all group at the same point.
Am I right?