A need for stiffer arrows?
10-13-2008, 06:28 PM
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A need for stiffer arrows?
With all of these new generation bows that are shooting honest 350 IBO speeds and rumors of certain bows reaching 360 IBO are any of the arrow manufacturers keeping up with the enregy levels of these bowsby making arrows with stiffer spines than what is currently available in carbon shafts?
I am sorry but a 300 spined arrow out of a 70 pound bow that is capable of achieving an honest 350 fps IBO coupled with a 30" draw length and a 125 grain or heavier tip is just too weak of an arrow.
Areanyof the major arrow manufacturersgoing to make a 225 or 250 spined carbon arrow shaft? I think it is over due.
Any one in the know........ know?
I am sorry but a 300 spined arrow out of a 70 pound bow that is capable of achieving an honest 350 fps IBO coupled with a 30" draw length and a 125 grain or heavier tip is just too weak of an arrow.
Areanyof the major arrow manufacturersgoing to make a 225 or 250 spined carbon arrow shaft? I think it is over due.
Any one in the know........ know?
10-13-2008, 07:46 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best. Does anyone ever get advertised IBO speeds with actual arrows (you know...with fletching, correct spine, fieldpoint or broadhead, with a normal draw length bow and sound dampening devices (on the bow) installed)? I'd love a manufacturer to advertise speed with a real arrow. Most of the time, it seems you can subtract 30-50 fps in the real world. Not sure the arrow manufacturers need to keep up, since the manufacturers keep lying to us.
10-13-2008, 08:21 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
ORIGINAL: Warden41272
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best. Does anyone ever get advertised IBO speeds with actual arrows (you know...with fletching, correct spine, fieldpoint or broadhead, with a normal draw length bow and sound dampening devices (on the bow) installed)? I'd love a manufacturer to advertise speed with a real arrow. Most of the time, it seems you can subtract 30-50 fps in the real world. Not sure the arrow manufacturers need to keep up, since the manufacturers keep lying to us.
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best. Does anyone ever get advertised IBO speeds with actual arrows (you know...with fletching, correct spine, fieldpoint or broadhead, with a normal draw length bow and sound dampening devices (on the bow) installed)? I'd love a manufacturer to advertise speed with a real arrow. Most of the time, it seems you can subtract 30-50 fps in the real world. Not sure the arrow manufacturers need to keep up, since the manufacturers keep lying to us.
I work on a fellow's allegience that is shooting a 380gr arrow at 29.5" and 66#s that is shooting right near IBO, and over the bow's birth certificate by 15fps. I've put a lot of hours into that thing.
10-13-2008, 08:24 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
you beat me to it!!! i was JUST thinking about this subject the other day....
i was thinking just how WRONG those charts can be....just because someone shoots 70lbs and a 28" draw means NOTHING....could be 200fps....could be 350fps....thats a HUGE difference in energy and stiffness required to take the energy and transfer it without blowing to pieces.......right?
just because my arrows currently are spined just a hair stiff out of my current setup, doesnt mean they will be near correct if i goto a bow shooting 100fps FASTER....?
arrow companies definently gotta keep up....
what arrows is the iron mace and such shooting?? they gotta be stiff? suckers are LIGHT...
id like to see a super thin SOLID carbon arrow...is that possible? lol...guess with nocks and inserts, it would get tricky.....but possible...if carbon is able to be worked in such a manner?
i was thinking just how WRONG those charts can be....just because someone shoots 70lbs and a 28" draw means NOTHING....could be 200fps....could be 350fps....thats a HUGE difference in energy and stiffness required to take the energy and transfer it without blowing to pieces.......right?
just because my arrows currently are spined just a hair stiff out of my current setup, doesnt mean they will be near correct if i goto a bow shooting 100fps FASTER....?
arrow companies definently gotta keep up....
what arrows is the iron mace and such shooting?? they gotta be stiff? suckers are LIGHT...
id like to see a super thin SOLID carbon arrow...is that possible? lol...guess with nocks and inserts, it would get tricky.....but possible...if carbon is able to be worked in such a manner?
10-13-2008, 08:34 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best.
I can get advertised IBO+ speeds out of quite a number of bows. Though many do lie about their actual draw lengths and speeds to artificially inflate their numbers for advertising. They use that little * meaning aproximate.
IfaBemanICS 300 arrow spines out just right for a Bowtech guardian or Diamond marquis, 30"DL, 29" arrow, 125 grain head then it certainly isn't going to spine worth a crap for someone shooting an 82nd airborne, X-force, HCA speed pro, etc...set upat the samespecs.........and the300 is the stiffest shaft thatBeman makes in that line.
If we have an actual 360+ fps IBO rated bow this coming year as rumoredthen many people with a 29 or 30 inch draw lengthare going to have a real hard time finding an arrow stiff enough. So, when are the arrow manufacturers going to catch up with the energy levels of todays bows?
Bows are only going to get more efficient and faster in the next few years.
10-13-2008, 08:35 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
I work on a fellow's allegience that is shooting a 380gr arrow at 29.5" and 66#s that is shooting right near IBO, and over the bow's birth certificate by 15fps. I've put a lot of hours into that thing.
ORIGINAL: Warden41272
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best. Does anyone ever get advertised IBO speeds with actual arrows (you know...with fletching, correct spine, fieldpoint or broadhead, with a normal draw length bow and sound dampening devices (on the bow) installed)? I'd love a manufacturer to advertise speed with a real arrow. Most of the time, it seems you can subtract 30-50 fps in the real world. Not sure the arrow manufacturers need to keep up, since the manufacturers keep lying to us.
My bow is advertised at 330 IBO. I'm getting about 310, at best. Does anyone ever get advertised IBO speeds with actual arrows (you know...with fletching, correct spine, fieldpoint or broadhead, with a normal draw length bow and sound dampening devices (on the bow) installed)? I'd love a manufacturer to advertise speed with a real arrow. Most of the time, it seems you can subtract 30-50 fps in the real world. Not sure the arrow manufacturers need to keep up, since the manufacturers keep lying to us.
I work on a fellow's allegience that is shooting a 380gr arrow at 29.5" and 66#s that is shooting right near IBO, and over the bow's birth certificate by 15fps. I've put a lot of hours into that thing.
10-13-2008, 08:42 PM
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RE: A need for stiffer arrows?
..........but IBO advertising is still BS. Wish I knew how you were getting even close to IBO speed with an actual hunting arrow.
Just like ATA (AMO).... 30 inch draw length, 60 pound draw weight, 540 grain arrow.
Someone with AA or OT2 run an 82nd airborne or APA Black Mamba X1with a 30" DL, 29" arrow, 125 grain broadhead, feather fletched,Beman ICS 300and tell us what the spine chart says.
