Broadheads don't fly right
 

I got a new bow this year. A Bowtech Tomkat. I'm shooting 68 lbs, with the factory hostage rest, CX Terminator Lite 6075's, and G5 Montecs. I shot Montecs out of my old bow and they shot just like field tips. With my new bow they don't fly constiently at all. My field points shoot great, but my broadheads are loud and all over the target. At 30 yds, I can see them kind of flylike a corkscrew. Years ago when shooting Muzzys I had to heat my inserts and and line up the vanes with the blades. That was with aluminum arrows. Should I switch to a mechanical? Everyone at work raves about Grim Reapers. Any input would be appreciated.

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No they are only going to be a bandaid for your untuned bow.

Tune the bow for your broad heads

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Vans to blades mad ethe difference for me on my carbon arrows. Same weight, draw and spine as you shoot.

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Do the arrow spin test fine???? If they do, I'm thinking you may be getting a little fletching contact somewhere. Sure, you can go to a mechanical head, but is that fixing the problem of the untuned bow??? Also, you're losing energy if that arrow is spiraling like that, which is certainly not going to help you any. ST's have flown GREAT for me, as they have from quite a few others, you may look at a different BH for your solution also.

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They could be loud because you new rig is quieter.:D
If they don't fly well you do have a problem.
I think the BT's require a stiffer spine then the carts recommend.
Needs tuned (that includes possibly a different arrow) and if it wont check the limbs for cracks.

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http://www.broadheadtests.com/TUNING.htmlfollow my link and read though it carefully. You need to get that bow tuned and make sure you arrows are correct as well.

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TRUE DAT

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I tried some grip reapers. They fly quieter and more constistently. I'm still leaning towards trying a new rest. I don't think my hostage rest gives fletching clearance like it claims. I'm getting faint black smudges on my vanes that line up with my rest. I may switch to a drop-away and get it paper tuned.

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Then you my friend have a CONTACT issue!!! Fix this, and then you can start "tuning" your bow!!!

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Good answer, you need to tune your bow! There is no way you should be getting contact with a hostage.

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I've been tweaking my nocks a little. A few of them were just slightly off and I think that was giving me my clearance issue.

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I had the same problem with both my bows only i was shooting muzzy's..i made the switch to rage 2-blades..they shoot like field tips with devastating entry holes.


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07 Bowtech Tribute 70#
Easton Axis N-Fused w/100gr 2-Blade RAGE
Spott Hog Sight
STS string stopper
Trophy Ridge Dropzone Rest
Doinker Stabilizer
294 Fps

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So what you're saying is your bow is still only partially tuned??? Certainly you have plenty of energy behind that arrow that such a "fix" would work for you, but someone with a lower poundage set-up wouldn't get away with that, they'd NEED to TUNE their bow, otherwise they'd be risking not having good penetration. Learn to tune that bow, and you'll end up with better arrow flight with BH's AND FP's!!!

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At 68lbs i wouldnt consider him shooting a "lower" poundage setupand although he may need to tune his bow mine was recently looked at by my pro shop and paper tuned before i switched to rage's..athough i could have a killed a deer with the muzzy set-up the consistency is much better with rage brodheads in my bowand i havnt heard of them not shooting almost identical to field tips. (should have been more clear i wasnt having the exact problem i just wasnt happy with the consistency between arrows with muzzys)





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07 Bowtech Tribute 29.5in70#
Easton Axis N-Fused w/100gr 2-Blade RAGE
Spott Hog Sight
STS string stopper
Trophy Ridge Dropzone Rest
Doinker Stabilizer
294 Fps

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I am also having trouble with my slick tricks. And before any one says bow tuning it is not that. Because my bow the ATA, Brace height, Cam timing, Cam lean, Everything is dead on. Arrows have been spin tested with broadheads. Arrow spine is correct. I just can't get good flight. It is dead on with broadheads at 20 yards but anything past that is erratic. I can shoot 3 inch circles at 40 yards with field points. so what is the problem.

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TN,
No offense, but the issue may be you. Are you making sure you follow through thoroughly???? Not over-gripping the bow, not torquing it, and certain that you don't have any excessive contact??? I'm shooting 3 different Fixed Blade Heads, and all 3 are flying quite well for me, but I do notice that with the largest bladed head, I do have to concentrate a little more on my follow through to ensure good groups.


PA21,
I'm making that "low poundage" bow statement as a generalization. Not referring to anyone in particular, just noting that your "quick fix" may not necessarily work for a short draw archer that is only pulling 52#'s. The BEST SOLUTION is to put the time into the bow and your form to get everything set-up CORRECT!!!

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Well I was talking about sparky steves particular issue. Anyways poor brodhead grouping and flight does not neccessarily mean shooter error or an out of tune bow. Some brodheads just wont fly true with certain set-ups(especially with the speed of new bows) and to fix the problem may mean changing your set up drastically and time really isnt on your side right now. If this were to happen to me i would go to my pro shopand make sure im not missing anything stupid like a clearance problem or knocking point..next step i would paper tune and if im not happy with the results im going to look for new brodheads. You may be able to correct the problem over time but i dont think its worth the hasstle especially since its almost october.

Tn- if your not against expandables and you cant get your slick tricks tuned in ask your pro shop if they have a rage 2 blade practice heads sitting around and try it out. I dont think its shooter error if your slick tricks are accurate at 20. Good luck!

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Josh,
If a person cannot get multiple BH's to "fly true," then there IS either a BH, arrow, bow, or shooter problem. Less REALLY old bows, I'm yet to find a bow/arrow/BH set-up that cannot be tweaked to get things pretty close, and I have 3 bows sitting in my "man-room" right now that ARE tuned and shoot 3 DIFFERENT BH's to a similar POI to FP's!!!

You said you couldn't get 2 different bow to shoot where you wanted to, which leads me to believe that either one of 2 things IS TRUE, you couldn't get them tuned "perfectly," or you have a form flaw, or the BH arrow combinations was mismatched to some extent. Trust me, I'm shooting a 50-60# bow and a pair of 70# bows, at DW's of 62, 68, and 72#'s and they are all shooting the SAME arrow to a near same POI as FP's out the 40yds!!!!! Not busting your chops, but it IS possible, but it does take a little finesse, and it takes some tweaking on bow, form, and arrow/tip combinations. There are a LOT of much better bowman than I here, and they are also more than capable of making it happen with multiple set-ups. With Steve's set-up, "YES," he CAN do the Rage, or just about ANY other Mechanical BH and very likely get it done in the woods, but if he CAN tune his bow to shoot a FBH, it WILL in the end be more precisely tuned, and make his shooting better with BOTH FP's AND FBH's!!!! That really cannot be denied.

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PAPER TUNE!!!

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Im pretty sure the TN bow season opens up this saturday. The ideas you have are correct but time isnot on his side. No one would want to make changes like your suggesting right before their season opener. If he has the bow looked at and its in tune like he has already told us I would suggest paper tuning andif he cant get the brodheads to fly right after that i would change them. The arrow/bow/shooting style is working for him with fp (3in group 40yds). Why mess around and take the chance of changing so close to the season. I would suggest what your saying if its june but its the end of september!! Im trying to help him for this sat.No one wants to question there set-up on opening day.

TN,
If your not against expandables like many are zero in your field tips throw on a rage and kill a big buck sat!(Then in the off season do what you need to do to shoot what ever brodhead you like.

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Try slick tricks.. Fly exactly like my field points

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Pahunter, I am not against expandables and shot some rages last year along with slick tricks also last year. I just can't get it all together this yea. I have been shooting for 4 months now and just espected the ST to be on the money as they where last year. So I didn't put any on until 2 weeks ago. And then that is when the problem started at first the where off at 20 yards. Did a little work here at the house with it then went to the pro shop for extra help and got it dead on at 20. (cam was a 1/16 out of time). Just tired of missing with it and season does start saturday went and bought 2 pacs of Rages today and perfect flight with field points out to 50 yards. So I am going to stick with them until end of season and then go back and try to see if I can figure the ST trouble out. I just prefer fixed blades to expandables but have no trouble shooting expandables. I also like the expandables because they also allow you to have a miss step in your form when excited and still make a excellent shot.

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Honestly, shooting slick tricks myself... if you can't get a slick trick to fly correctly then you aren't going to get much of anything to fly correctly. As you change the length of your head, you are changing the effective length and balance of your projectile. The longer the head, the greater the difference, all else being equal. If you have any wobble at all... the longer the head, the greater the effect of that wobble.... with that steel Trocar tip.... thats part of why Muzzys are one of the more difficult heads to get perfect flight from. Look at their new designs (the MX line)..... what did they change.... THEY MADE THEM SHORTER.

There isn't much out of my well tuned bow that I cannot get to group well.... gobbler guillotines and those Rocket Buck Blasters being about the only things that come to mind.

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Exactly how long will it take to move the rest a little at a time and adjust the sites? It really is not that hard or that time consuming. Get it done. There is plenty of time.

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If it were as easy as you say he wouldnt be on here. Alot more than adjusting your optics and rest comes into play with bow accuracy.

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I think you might have missed the part about moving the rest a little at a time.

The point a lot of us are trying to make here is that it is not adviseable to shoot mechanicals as a quick and easy fix for poor accuracy with broadheads. Truth be told... a solid 75% of bow hunters probably cannot shoot good enough to tell the difference anyway. And perhaps that same 75% probably aren't realistic enough to admit that the problem might just be the person holding the bow. I'll be the first to admit that most folks are reluctant to work on their own equipment, and some that do really shouldn't be, but take it from me.... its not nearly as hard as you think it is.

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Swamp Collie I understand what you are saying but the thing is I have been working on bows since I was 14 yrs old when my old man used to own a pro shop.Even though Iwas out of bow hunting and workin on bows for about9 years I still have a real good understanding on how and what works. I do visit a pro shop and get help on some things Ido not understand aboutsome of these new bows. Like I said in a earlier post my bow is in perfect tune. It can not get any better. And that info is came from 2 pro shops in the area. I have excellent form. Which sometimes I do slip up. But the BH's shouldn't be doing what they are doing. I bought and shot some rages today and had excellent flight in fact touching the field tip arrows out to 45 yards. I also just got through shooting some slick tricks after changing blades to some new ones and putting on new ST that had never been shot into anything and had excellent flight. I don't know if I had some bent blades and some bad tips or what. But i guess I will have both in my quiver this year know. It is always trail and error.

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^Thanks for explaining that im sick ofwaisting my time trying to explain to others my reasoning for what i suggested.

Turns out rest and sight are not the only issues that come into play!

Good luck this year TN

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samething here... my bows been tuned and looked over because im anal about everything being perfect. But some heads I shoot just group better than others. Slick tricks and Rage were the best 2 heads ive shot. Muzzy, wasp, and spitfires didnt group well for me at all. But im talking 4inch groups at 30 yards instead of 2 inch groups. Slicks hit about 1inch right of my field tip groups and the rage hit exactly where the fieldtips hit. I know tunings a big part, but some people just dont have the time to go to the shop or most dont know how to do it theirself. Same goes for crossbows.. some bheads group extremely well and others are way off. Every setup likes different bheads

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Crazyfarmer, That was my prob with the slick tricks. When I say they was shooting every. My every is hitting a 6 inch circle instead of a 3 inch circle while I could have killed a deer with them I was not going to take a chance. I am like you when it comes to bows and shooting BH's I want everything perfect.

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Same here..couldnt have said it better

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Well I wish y'all the best of luck.

Crazy where you at in VA? Saw your sig are you a measurer for B&C?

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I was actaully getting good solid 2-3inch groups, but they were just off center of the fieldtips. Nothing a slight adjusment of the scope wouldnt fix. I actaully have 4 arrows in the quiver and 2 have slicks on them and 2 have rage. I use the slicks if I decide to take a doe since the rage heads arent cheap and I like top save them for something big if the chance happens.

swamp, im up on the Northern Neck. I just put that in the sig as a joke;) But yes I do score deer, just not offically. Im usually within 1inch which helps most get a green score.

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That is a beautiful part of the state. If you ever need one offically scored (B&C)... shoot me a PM. I split time between Richmond and Norfolk.

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Take a look at the post how old is this buck and score under deer hunting...the score most people are giving seems high to me but im no expert.

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TN,
If you're groups are near your FP's, but just wider, then the issue IS the archer very likely. As has been said MANY times, BH's even those little ST's will accentuate form flaws, and make for wider groupings. I have slightly larger groupings as well. FP's are 2.5-3" at 32yds, but BH's are probably closer to 3.5-4." I'm sure much of that is FORM FLAWS, but I'm satisfied with that size group. At 40yds, I'm probably 4-5" w/ BH's where the FP's fly out at usually sub 4" groups, sometimes even sub-3" but sub 4" is about my avg. at 40yds with FP's.

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Swamp,
I disagree about the "realistic" part, a LOT of the time, I think it's more about IGNORANCE than realism. Until I had someone show me how, I did a LOT of things totally WRONG and after error after error playing the trial and error game, I learned to start asking for advice and help. Made a huge difference in a LOT of things in my life, not just archery and bowhunting!!!

I watched some bullheaded Jackhole in WV a couple weeks ago trying to set a bow up, but he was hitting about 3 FEET high with it!!! YES that was 3 FEET high. I offered him a little assistance, but he just wouldn't have it. He had the same sight I had on the bow I was shooting, which could have the base mounted (a Tru-Glo Bright Site Extreme) in a upper or lower setting that would allow for him to move the whole sight window a significant amount, but he WOULD NOT move it. He finally, with the sight window damn near ready to come out of the base because he'd moved it so far, ended up getting within about 15-18" of the bull on the target and said "That's good enough, I'll work on it at home now." I can feel pretty assured that he WON'T be killing anything with that bow this year, or very likely EVER!!! He did accomplishe to LOSE 3 arrow at and indoor range though!!!!!