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RE: Carbon vs. Aluminum ?
 

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RE: Carbon vs. Aluminum ?
 

Well, nobody has proved to me that it would be that much better.....that is why I still shoot those aluminums.

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i shoot cx terminator hunters. this is a heavy carbon arrow and tough as steel. mine weigh 545gn with a 140gn head on them and 5" helical vanes. i still get 251 fps out of my hoyt havotec. i shot one completely through a 4x4 fence post by accident. still in great condition. these arrows also group awesome. 64.00 a dozen and well worth it

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RE: Carbon vs. Aluminum ?
 

*Carbons are more durable
*They are cheaper in the long run
*They are more forgiving or tolerant to changes in your set up(Most carbons come in 3-4 sizes with aluminums there are dozens,spine is more critical)
*carbon penetrates better
*less wind drift due to smaller diameter
the only negatives are initial cost is more and if you like a heavy arrow your selection is limited.Just make sure you buy a quality arrow,some of the cheaper brands are not straight enough.Gold tip XT' s(not hunters) and Beaman ICS are popular.

CB

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Carbons can be more durable than aluminum, but not always. A cracked carbon is toast while a bent aluminum arrow can often be straightened to near factory tolerances. So, cheaper in the long run is relative.

Carbons come in a few sizes - a good thing for dealers, but not always a good thing for shooters. It presents problems getting the perfect spine for your setup. Just because you' re in that arrow' s spine range doesn' t mean you' ve got the right arrow for your bow. If you don' t shoot a setup that' s close to the middle of a carbon' s 20 pound spine range, within say 5-7 pounds either side of the middle, you wind up either marginally overspine or marginally underspine. In that case, the only option is to play around with arrow length and point weight. With aluminum, you can pick an arrow length and tip weight and choose the correct size arrow.

' Carbon penetrates better' is very much open for discussion. In some cases, yes, especially with the heavier carbons, but I don' t think it holds true for ALL carbons in ALL circumstances. In fact, I think the lighter weight carbons can be more of a hindrance to penetration than anything else.

Less wind drift because of smaller diameter is also open for discussion. Faster arrows with less flight time would give wind a shorter amount of time to blow the arrow around, but my experience is I wind up with MORE drift, not less. I think the lighter weight and lower momentum, which equals lower directional stability, allow the wind to blow a carbon arrow further off course than a heavier aluminum arrow. On very windy days, up around 20 mph, I' ve had a devil of a time shooting carbons when my aluminum arrows (which weight 100 grains more) flew great.

But I do agree that you get what you pay for.

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I' ve shot and hunted with aluminum since the early 1960' s. I don' t plan on changing until they stop making them. According to studies I' ve read and some by Chuck Adams they cannot maintain a uniform wall thickness with carbons as they can with aluminum.

We frequently hear the argument between velocity and mass but penetration is and always will be a measure of the product of the two and it is called Kinetic Energy (aka Force). It the truth be told there are perpetual arguements in rifles and handguns that are exactly the same.

I have always believed that if you hit a deer in the lungs with a .243 it will drop him quicker than a .300 Weatherby Madnum shot to the hoof.

At 67# I ger 60 ft-lbs of Kinetic Energy and that is enough to easily take anything I' ll be hunting . . . as long as I make an Clean, Quick Killingf Shot to the vitals.

BTW I have a friend whose wife has shatered and splintered enough carbons to ruin my hunting budget.

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All I can tell you is when I shot aluminums I bought a dozen arrows every season.7 years ago I started shooting carbons and I' m still shooting some of these arrows.I picked up a few used arrows off a shop during that time but am just now getting ready to buy new arrows.Let me clarify one thing,I am shooting the older pultruded style AFC arrows.I haven' t shot the new ICS type arrows yet.I do believe the outserts on the AFC helps keep the arrows from splitting on hard impact.From my experience there is no question carbon is more durable.I could never dig a 2213 out of a pine tree or shoot one thru a fence board and not bend the arrow.There is no doubt in my mind that carbons are more economical in the long run.

As for Chuck adams comments he' s on the payroll of the largest maker of aluminum arrows.I have a lot of respect for him as a hunter.But also know that he said in his first book that cam bows (vs round wheel) were too noisy and radical for hunting.We all know how that has turned out.Easton also made a big deal about carbon arrow splintering and making game inedible.At least that was before they bought out beman to get more share of the carbon market.

From my experience carbon does penetrate better.If you shoot a deer and hit the shoulder and your aluminum arrow bends(which I have had happen)What does that do for penetration?Carbons are stiffer for a given spine to weight ratio and this in my opinion makes them more forgiving.

I do believe that the quality of the carbon arrow you by does matter.Some of the cheaper models are not stright enough for my liking and can vary in weight per dozen.If you buy quality arrows this is not a problem.

Arthur P. I do respect your opinions,however we obviously have had different experiences with carbons.I can only relate mine.

CB

RE: Carbon vs. Aluminum ?
 

What do champion 3D shooters use?
Champion spot shooters?
FITA?

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