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#11
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Feb 2003
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CB, no offense intended. Your post was written like all points were incontrovertable facts when they' re mostly a matter of personal opinion and preference. I simply presented an opposing viewpoint.
I do buy new arrows every year. Several times a year, actually. After doing an archery workshop for a troop of Boy Scouts and letting them shoot some of my bows and my arrows yesterday, I' ll be buying new arrows again real soon. Frankly, if you shoot a lot, then you should buy at least a dozen new arrows every year... Even carbons. They might not break outright, but they do WEAR out.
By the way, who mentioned anything about The Chuckster and Easton? Where' d that come from? You have issues with Easton? Well, in the early days of carbon when they were making nothing but pultruded arrows and Easton was making those comments about carbon splinters... It was absolutely the truth. Back then, Easton had been making ACC' s and ACH' s. Aluminum Composite Competition and Aluminum Composite Hunting. They quit making the ACH' s and didn' t recommend ACC' s for hunting. It wasn' t simply slamming carbon arrows back then. It was hanging an umbrella over their butts in the area of product liability.
The metal outserts on the pultruded shafts never, ever kept them from splintering. You could walk around any archery course in those days and there' d be splintered arrows in every trash bucket. Today' s ICS type, bias wrapped carbons don' t splinter nearly as bad. I didn' t think they splintered at all any more, but I splintered one yesterday, an Easton Epic 340. (Shot at the 60 yard butt, used the 50 pin and hit metal target frame
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That is my last point. If durability is that big an issue, then all one has to do is one simple thing... QUIT MISSING!
If you miss, you deserve to break an arrow, IMO. If you' re a tightwad, you either give up shooting bows OR you learn to shoot better. As often as the durability thing comes up, and as cliche as it has gotten, it makes it sound like a lot of people don' t have a positive attitude about their shooting. It' s actually starting to turn into one of my pet peeves.
And, just for the record, I think Chuck' s right about round wheels.
Sorry I can' t hang around and play, but I' m heading out for another session with the Scouts. They want to learn how to make a selfbow.
I do buy new arrows every year. Several times a year, actually. After doing an archery workshop for a troop of Boy Scouts and letting them shoot some of my bows and my arrows yesterday, I' ll be buying new arrows again real soon. Frankly, if you shoot a lot, then you should buy at least a dozen new arrows every year... Even carbons. They might not break outright, but they do WEAR out.
By the way, who mentioned anything about The Chuckster and Easton? Where' d that come from? You have issues with Easton? Well, in the early days of carbon when they were making nothing but pultruded arrows and Easton was making those comments about carbon splinters... It was absolutely the truth. Back then, Easton had been making ACC' s and ACH' s. Aluminum Composite Competition and Aluminum Composite Hunting. They quit making the ACH' s and didn' t recommend ACC' s for hunting. It wasn' t simply slamming carbon arrows back then. It was hanging an umbrella over their butts in the area of product liability.
The metal outserts on the pultruded shafts never, ever kept them from splintering. You could walk around any archery course in those days and there' d be splintered arrows in every trash bucket. Today' s ICS type, bias wrapped carbons don' t splinter nearly as bad. I didn' t think they splintered at all any more, but I splintered one yesterday, an Easton Epic 340. (Shot at the 60 yard butt, used the 50 pin and hit metal target frame
) That is my last point. If durability is that big an issue, then all one has to do is one simple thing... QUIT MISSING!
If you miss, you deserve to break an arrow, IMO. If you' re a tightwad, you either give up shooting bows OR you learn to shoot better. As often as the durability thing comes up, and as cliche as it has gotten, it makes it sound like a lot of people don' t have a positive attitude about their shooting. It' s actually starting to turn into one of my pet peeves.And, just for the record, I think Chuck' s right about round wheels.
Sorry I can' t hang around and play, but I' m heading out for another session with the Scouts. They want to learn how to make a selfbow.
#12
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 443
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From: Walker LA USA
AP I was' nt tearing aluminums up by missing the target,but from slamming them together in the target butt
.Just about every aluminum I shot a deer with was toast also.One bad thing about them skinny little carbons with nock outserts.You cant hardly robbin hood them,notice I said hardly
I never have been able to splinter one from a head on impact,but have had one or two hang down in my target bag and get hit from the side and splinter.The pultruded arrows won' t take much of a side impact.I' ve had a couple of spine shot deer fall on em and break em too.As for easton I do remember that when carbons first hit the market before they were making the pc' s that they made a big deal about carbon splinters in meat.I thought it was an attempt to discourage people from using carbon.As for Chuck he' s allways impressed me as a guy who does' nt like change,cam bows are the devil,shoots fingers and big aluminums,cut on contact heads arrow speed is evil.Hey AP you sure you ain' t really Chuck Adams?
Later,
CB
.Just about every aluminum I shot a deer with was toast also.One bad thing about them skinny little carbons with nock outserts.You cant hardly robbin hood them,notice I said hardly
I never have been able to splinter one from a head on impact,but have had one or two hang down in my target bag and get hit from the side and splinter.The pultruded arrows won' t take much of a side impact.I' ve had a couple of spine shot deer fall on em and break em too.As for easton I do remember that when carbons first hit the market before they were making the pc' s that they made a big deal about carbon splinters in meat.I thought it was an attempt to discourage people from using carbon.As for Chuck he' s allways impressed me as a guy who does' nt like change,cam bows are the devil,shoots fingers and big aluminums,cut on contact heads arrow speed is evil.Hey AP you sure you ain' t really Chuck Adams?
Later,
CB
#13
There' s nothing wrong with either one, and I made the switch from alums to carbons simply becasue I was tired of ruining alums on the 3D range. Its too easy to bend alums. Yes tolerances are not as perfect with carbons, but they have come along ways. I suggest picking up the latest issue of Petersons Bowhunting. They have an excellent article on todays carbons. They list several makes by weight grains. From the lightest to the heaviest. Carbons offer alot of variety now, and prices have come down alot. They are excellent for both target & hunting. Before you doubt something I' d suggest trying it, that way you know for yourself. I really like the carbons, and for the price I' ll never go back to alums. They are overall cheaper to own if you do quite abit of shooting.
#14
Typical Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 718
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From: Arlington WA USA
I have all my alums numbered and have shot two deer with the same arrow and broadhead [just new blades]. I was settingthings up last week and it still spins fine and I' ll most likely use it again this year. If an when they bend, I have a staightener for them them I use them in 3-D' s and they work. I always buy a dozen new arrows and would if I shot carbons too.




