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MGH_PA 05-07-2008 06:28 PM

Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
So I've had my 101st for a little while now, but the first thing I noticed when I pulled it out of the box was that the string was not resting right in the pocker (or grove) of the supressor. Instead, when holding the bow out and looking at it from the back, it's hitting about 1/8"-3/16" off to the right on the supressor. My first thought was that it was normal...then I began thinking to myself that it certainly can't be. Are any of you guys experiencing this? Bowtechben and I both have the same bow, and he is experiencing the same thing, so I know I'm not the only one. I'm considering taking the stop off, and just putting a meanv on for several reasons. For one, I like how it's out of the way in comparison to the factory bowtech one. Has anyone replaced theirs with an aftermarket suppressor? Is there any need to?

If the string should indeed be sitting dead center in the supressor, how do I correct it? Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks.



hmthtrfan 05-07-2008 07:28 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...ght=short+stop

give this a read.....

mine shoots great, but these guys had issues.

whitetailbowhunter 05-07-2008 08:32 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
You can move the stopper. Look were the stopper bar meets the camo bar there are two screws there you have to loosen those then you can move it. then look at the stopper holding thing there are also two screws there loosen those two and turn it so the string doesn't hit across the grove.. hope any pf this makes sense.

Greg / MO 05-07-2008 09:11 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
If you're right-handed, the string should sit about a string's width to theleft of the center of the groove.

BruceW63 05-07-2008 09:24 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA

So I've had my 101st for a little while now, but the first thing I noticed when I pulled it out of the box was that the string was not resting right in the pocker (or grove) of the supressor. Instead, when holding the bow out and looking at it from the back, it's hitting about 1/8"-3/16" off to the right on the supressor. My first thought was that it was normal...then I began thinking to myself that it certainly can't be. Are any of you guys experiencing this? Bowtechben and I both have the same bow, and he is experiencing the same thing, so I know I'm not the only one. I'm considering taking the stop off, and just putting a meanv on for several reasons. For one, I like how it's out of the way in comparison to the factory bowtech one. Has anyone replaced theirs with an aftermarket suppressor? Is there any need to?
I've got a Diamond Marquis - same Short Stop. Shot it 1500+ times with the Short Stop before I did an overhaul and removed that in the process. The MeanV is working out just fine (thanks again, Dan). I wrapped the string @ the point of contact, and had to get the MeanV 100% dead center or else at 70# it blows the rubber stopper off.
It took a bit of fiddling to get the ShortStop set perfectly, but once it was, I'd go 400 or so shots between rubber insert changes. For me, and my single cam Marquis, the ShortStop worked best when the string was EXACTLY centered. Sorry, but that "slightly off-center" bit just didn't work for me: could it be the difference between singlecam and binary? I really don't think so. I concluded that the real objective should be to NOT saw half of the rubber insert off, and so just adjust it based on what you see as far as the string hitting off-center.

If the string should indeed be sitting dead center in the supressor, how do I correct it? Any help/advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
Two set screws to loosen: one to change the arc of the swing, another to realign up-and-down.

Greg / MO 05-07-2008 09:51 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Just to clarify, only the Airbornes need to have the ShortStop slighly off-center; the rest should be dead in the middle.

MGH_PA 05-08-2008 04:31 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Greg I'm shooting left handed. Looking at the stop from the back of the bow, the string is sitting slightly off to the right of dead center in the stopper. I haven't shot it yet as I'm still doing draw drills, but I was curious as to why it was. I've hear of more than a few people having issues with it, I just haven't researched enough about it to see what can be done. I noticed there was some adjustment in the stop itself, but hadn't tried playing with them. I'll give it a try and see.

MGH_PA 05-08-2008 04:32 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: whitetailbowhunter

You can move the stopper. Look were the stopper bar meets the camo bar there are two screws there you have to loosen those then you can move it. then look at the stopper holding thing there are also two screws there loosen those two and turn it so the string doesn't hit across the grove.. hope any pf this makes sense.
Thanks, I'll give that a try.

MeanV2 05-08-2008 11:18 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Bruce, If you have trouble with my stopper coming off a dab of automotive weatherstrip adhesive will do the trick.;)

Dan

Ben / PA 05-08-2008 12:11 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Greg, why is it just the airbornes? I am curious. I have already ordered a mean v cause I like them alot and it is out of the way more, but I am curious as to why they are supposed to be off center.\

what if you are left handed, should it be a string's width off to the left?

MGH_PA 05-08-2008 12:36 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: bowtechben


what if you are left handed, should it be a string's width off to the left?
That's what I'm wondering. His comment about them being off to the right on a right hand bow leads me to believe they would be the opposite for a left hand bow, but who knows. Did you take yours off?

Ben / PA 05-08-2008 12:47 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Not yet, I am waiting to consult my advisor and or get delivery of my mean v.


Ben / PA 05-08-2008 12:48 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
I think after what I have read, that there is a slim chance of the short stop staying on my bow if I have anything to do with it.

MeanV2 05-08-2008 12:49 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: bowtechben

Not yet, I am waiting to consult my advisor and or get delivery of my mean v.

Your Suppressor is enroute;)

I am assuming here and I know that can get me into trouble, but I would assume on a left handed bow it would the opposite:D

Dan

Ben / PA 05-08-2008 12:56 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
:Dsounds good Dan, can't wait to get it. Still waiting on the spec order viper and other acc though. I am happy to report that the mean v I had on my commander was a major selling point. THanks for a great product.
As for the string position, I am gonna to ask my personal consultant, Rob, whenever I track him down.

Ben / PA 05-08-2008 01:08 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA


ORIGINAL: bowtechben


what if you are left handed, should it be a string's width off to the left?
That's what I'm wondering. His comment about them being off to the right on a right hand bow leads me to believe they would be the opposite for a left hand bow, but who knows. Did you take yours off?
I just talked to Rob on the phone, he says that the Left handed models should, as you hold it like you would shoot it, be a string length to the right of the center of the V in the short stop. and the RH models should be opposite. He says that as the bow is shot the string travel will take it to the center if it is set up like this. Meaning, that if you lined it up in the center before the shot, when you shoot, it will end up off to the left in the short stop.

hmthtrfan 05-09-2008 09:14 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
so my general should be dead center on the string??? right handed

Greg / MO 05-09-2008 09:54 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

the Left handed models should, as you hold it like you would shoot it, be a string length to the right of the center of the V in the short stop. and the RH models should be opposite.
This is correct; that's what happens when I go from memory on not much sleep without walking into my own shop and looking at my own.


Greg / MO 05-09-2008 09:57 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

Greg, why is it just the airbornes? I am curious.
Because that's what the head of our R&D department and the man who designed the bows told me. [8D]

Ben / PA 05-09-2008 10:33 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: hmthtrfan

so my general should be dead center on the string??? right handed
Yes, the Generals should be dead center.

MGH_PA 05-09-2008 10:44 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: bowtechben



I just talked to Rob on the phone, he says that the Left handed models should, as you hold it like you would shoot it, be a string length to the right of the center of the V in the short stop. and the RH models should be opposite. He says that as the bow is shot the string travel will take it to the center if it is set up like this. Meaning, that if you lined it up in the center before the shot, when you shoot, it will end up off to the left in the short stop.
Thanks...after I adjusted it last night, lol[:@] Oh well. Where's he been, btw?

Ben / PA 05-09-2008 11:00 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
Well, he was in Cancun for a week, then he has just been hunting and working. Last night we took a ride up to my cabin and then a walk around his prop. We saw a hen at my cabin and jumped a few deer at his.

RefusetoFollow 05-09-2008 07:24 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
I was wondering this myself. When I first got my General the supressor was slightly to the left of my strings ( I am right-handed). I decided to move it to center and it shoots great now.

hmthtrfan 05-11-2008 07:26 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
so in the resting state, the string should be about 1/16" or 1/8" from touching the shortstop, just like any other sting stop right.....

MeanV2 05-11-2008 08:19 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: hmthtrfan

so in the resting state, the string should be about 1/16" or 1/8" from touching the shortstop, just like any other sting stop right.....
They are talking about the setting of center offset.

If it's one thing I've learned in 40+ years of shooting bows there are very few things wrote in stone. While some things no doubt work for the bigger % it may not be ideal for Everyone.

Some guys swear by string suppressors just touching while others say they need to be a credit card thickness away from the string.

Bottom line, just because it works for you or even works for most, doesn't make it wrong for someone else if they have their rig set different.

It never hurts to try something different, but don't hesitate to go back to the way something works best for YOU!;)

Dan

hmthtrfan 05-11-2008 08:40 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
im good on the offset, just wondering on the resting distance, to maybe prolong the life of the rubber insert.


thanks, guys.



MeanV2 05-11-2008 11:15 AM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 

ORIGINAL: hmthtrfan

im good on the offset, just wondering on the resting distance, to maybe prolong the life of the rubber insert.


thanks, guys.
I know on my Custom Suppressors 99.9% of guys adjust theirs somewhere between touching and a credit card thickness away. I personally can't tell a difference either way.;)

Dan

stikbow26 05-11-2008 06:55 PM

RE: Bowtech owners...supressor question.
 
First off thanks Dan for getting my surpressor to me right away!! I can say I shot my 101st with with both the factory and the meanV2 togather and then just the meanV2 and it is quieter with just the meanV2!!Dan you need to convince bowtech to just put your's on there bows!! Walt


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