3 questions about my bow???
 

ok i have three pics, one is of my cable at my cam, could you tell me if it to worn or if it is me, the other pic is of my arrow in my bisciut, i can tell if it is to small or not, by the way i am shooting easton st epics, so i dont know if it in need of replacement yet or not, last picture is of my bow with an arrow in it, does it look alittle on a angle or is it me? thanks for the input mike.

first one http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0246.jpg

second one http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0247.jpg

third one http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0248.jpg

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

1. Cable looks ok, just watch it. That is where the cable is going over the "peak" of your cam and is normal.
2. W/B is fine, Should be bigger than you arrow.
3.Looks like either your knocking point or your restmight be out of tune, but you can't really say that by looking at a picture. Take it to a bow shop, not Bass pro, and have them tune it. It is well worth the little charge to have a properly tuned bow and get the best out of it.

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^ that is the thing i did have it tuned, at a pro shop and not bass or gander,but i could have bumped the rest or something, i am shooting fine though, will that through me off alot??

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A good way to find out would be to paper-tune it. Shoot thru some paper and see if your fletchings tear the paper? If they do then your bow is out of tune. It's just too hard to look at a photo and say whether your rest is too high/lo or your knock point is high/lo?

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^ i did paper tune it, and it was fine.

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If your nock is below square and it paper tunes that way, then your tiller needs to be adjusted.

That's often what happens when people try to shoot their bows with the limb bolts tightened down all the way, thinking that max poundage will give them max speed. Or if they use the silly myth that Mathews got started, that tiller is properly set by bottoming out the limb bolts and backing them off equally to the desired draw weight. Both those methods might work for some bows, but they can screw up an equal number of other bows. Looks like yours is one that gets screwed up.

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I'm trying to visualize tiller imbalance causing the bow to tune with a low nocking point . . . . . . is the upper limb too strong here, or does the lower limb need to be backed off a little?

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Dang it, Roskoe. You're tryin' ta make me think again.... and it hurts.[>:];)

When the tiller is set right, and the limbs are in balance, the arrow will be square to the riser, like this -|--<<<

Nock high would have the arrow crossing like this -/--<<

Nock low, the arrow would be crossing the other way -\--<<

The weaker limb will be closer to the shooter at full draw, bcause it's bending more. So, in the case of a nock point below square, the top limb will be too strong.

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

IMO, the cable serving is not dangerous yet, but I would want to get it reserved with smaller diameter serving served very tight, to see if that doesn't improve things. The Whisker Biscuit looks just fine. Your nock point looks a bit low. Perhaps this is because the tiller is off, as Arthur suggested, or maybe that is just the way the pic makes it look. You should not be too far off though.

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It helps me to draw a picture as well [8D]. So for a bow that will only tune with a very high nocking point, one possible solution might be to back off the lower limb a little . . . . .

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

sorry havnt been able to post, i have been at school, my poundage is as low as it goes. i dont have it maxed. So what do i have to do to get it fixed??? i am alittle confused, would i just have to have the nock pointmoved up. oris it this complicated tiller thing???

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Yep.

Doesn't matter what your poundage is, it can still be out of tiller. Simple thing to do. Get a tape measure. Stretch a string tight across the axles and measure from the limbs at each end of the riser to the string. If the nock point is as low as it looks in the pic, I'm pretty sure it will measure closer on top than the bottom. If so, back off on the top limb bolt, tighten the bottom limb bolt or both. Keep at it until you get the measurement equal.

I go a good bit further with my tiller adjustments, as I describe in the thread pinned at the top of the forum. But whether you decide to go that far or not, then at the very least, your tiller should always be adjusted to measure the same at each end of the riser before any other tuning is ever done.

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ok i will try that.

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I just measured my bows axle to axle and it should be 30" and it is 30.25" is there a problem with that???

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And i just tried letting off alittle on the top and it didnt do anything, and i tried putting alittle more on the bottom and it still didnt do anything.

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

A quarter inch off in axle to axle isn't anything to worry about. When it gets to about 3/4" to an inch, it needs adjustment.

If you've got your weight backed way off, it might take a full turn or more to get the tiller measurements to move. In fact, it sort of worries me when you say the draw weight is at minimum. Don't take any more off the top limb. I don't know how much more bolt you've got in that hole and it really gets exciting when you back a limb bolt clean out of the riser. [:-]

Make your adjustments with the bottom limb bolt. It will likely raise your draw weight a couple of pounds, but it's better than taking the bow to the shop to have it put back together.

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^ lol i know i thought about that after i started doing it and put it back, i though holy crap what if this things shoots out at me:Di am no bow tech by anymeans so when i get new arrows in a week or so i am just gonna let them do it, i might try the bottom one, i will problay just wait, thanks arthur P.and everyone else for the help.

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Well i tightend the bottom one and it got worse[:@]so i figured what the heck and tighted the top one and i think i got the tiller evend out now, here is the new pick, i asked my mom and she thinks the nock point might be alittle high now instead of low. here is the pick.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0250.jpg

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i moved it again, it is good now for sure, i had a couple different people look at it for me and it is good. so how will this affect my sights????

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bump

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Just wondering... Did you actually measure the tiller at each end of the riser like I described or did you just go by how the nock point moved? The way to do it is level out the tiller and then reset the nock point.

Anyway, you've raised the nock point and peep in relation to the sight pins. You'll probably need to raise your pins by about the same amount or you'll be shooting high. You'll need to recheck your tune also.

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ok, by tune do you mean tune in general or paper tune? ok so i will be shooting alittle high, and no i didntmeasure[:-]i just looked by how the nock point moved, was that bad? I was alittle confused by what ya meant to do, even though that isnt a excuse.

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

Okay... Take a length of string, long enough for you to stretch over the axles (the steel pins that run through your cams and attach them to the limbs). Have someone hold the string tight for you while you take a measurment at each end of the riser. You want to measure from the angle where the limb meets the riser to that string. The measurements should be the same on each end of the riser. If they aren't, you have to adjust it.

Tightening the limb bolt will shorten the measurement. Backing off on the limb bolt will lengthen the measurement.

When you get those measurements equal, you've gotten your basic tiller adjustment. This is one of the most basic first steps to any good tune job. It has to be done before the nock point is set. Anyway, once you're at that point, THEN loosen your loop and move it so your arrow is square to the string and riser.

If you don't have a bow square to set your nocking point accurately, then get one. An archer without a bow square is like a doctor without a stethoscope.

After you do that, the bow will need to be tuned again. Paper tuned, if that's your favorite tuning method.

Or, what I'd be really tempted to do, take the bow back to the shop that tuned it for you and tell them to do it again, but to set the tiller and tune it right this time. NEVER accept a tune job where they finish up and the nockset is below square. Nock slightly high - like 1/8" or so - is okay, but it should never, ever be below square.

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alrights thanks i know what i gotta do now, and they may have set the tiller without me knowing, cause i was looking at some other stuff when they were working on, thanks alot arthur P.

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Sorry its been awhile but i am putting pics up to make sure i measured the tiller right, and how can i tell when my limb bolt it backed out all the way? Here is the pics, the thread (couldnt find string) is alittle hard to see but you can see it.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0252.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0251.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa101/millerhunter13/100_0253.jpg

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What Arthur is talking about here is to put a tight string or straight edge from axle to axle. Then measure, perpendicularfrom this line, to the point at whichthe limb meets the riser. The center of the hinge bolt on a Hoyt makes a good point to measure forward to the line. These distances, top vs. bottom, represent the tiller measurement on the bow. For instance, my ProTec is about 7 3/4" at the bottom and 7 3/16" at the top. Hope this makes sense without a picture.

RE: 3 questions about my bow???
 

^ so did i do it right, or do i just measure out to the string?