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I have decided to try a stealth stabilizer on my new mathews lx when it comes in. I am going to use a 2 inch, 4 ounce, quiet tune stabilizer for the back stabilizer, (it is adjustable for sound dampening), and am going to use a 6 inch stealth hunter on the front. I contacted stealth by email and they said that the stealth is as good or better than anything on the market right now. My question is about the weight of the stabilizer? The normal hunter comes in 10 ounces. Considering the specs on the lx, riser and parallel limb design, what weight should I get that will balance this bow out well with the rear stabilizer I am going to be using? I want to save as much weight as possible. Stealth said they can make me a custom one in the 6 inch hunter at 6.5 ounces. Will this be enough? Please give me your opinion before I place an order. Thanks. Bhunter32.

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Hard to know what will work for another person. You could just try sliding something in the hole, or using another stab, and trying to mock it up. Tough to get the right feel even then, since the center of gravity of the stab might vary. Try asking the maker where the cg is, just ballancing over his finger would get it for you, then mock that up with some weight, and see who it feels.

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I got Stealth to make me a 4" at 6.5 ozs. for my Bowtech mighty mite. It works REAL well. I think the Stelth wil work even without the back stablizers. The mighty mite shoots very hard and fast and the Stealth works great all by itself. Don

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Mathews usually are a fairly balanced bow to begin with. That being said, I try to keep the stabilizer weight on the front and back of my riser fairly close in weight. I have a 4oz quiet tune on the front and back and it balances perfectly after the shot. If you wanted the bow to tilt forward a little more after the shot, You might use 6oz quiet tune. I had several conversations with stabilizer manufacturers about what weight to use and as a " general" rule, most recommend at least 8oz total to effectively cancel vibration/noise and to help the balance/stabilize the bow.

I' ve heard that the Stealth is a really good stabilizer, but I recommend that you call Simms/SVL and ask them about this stabilizer because I believe they have already tested it. While you are at it, ask them about the Quiet-Tune, you might be suprised by what they tell you. Also, e-mail Mathews and see what stabilizer they prefer, again the answer may suprise you. The quiet-tune is really hard to beat because it is one of few stabilizers that can be tuned to the actual harmonics of the bow.

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OKbowhunter I agree that quiet-tune is a real sleeper in this market. They have an awsome product. I have tried them over the last year on & off and they are great.

The stealth I know nothig about so I can not comment on it. I have heard a lot of good things on them.

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I know that SIMS purchased a Stealth Stabilizer recently..........not exactly sure what they are doing with it.
I' m sure that they didn' t care too much for all the posts reporting that they were better than their stuff.;)
I persoanlly am one of those guys who found the Stealth stabilizers to be superior to the SIMS models. Up until I purchased the Stealth, the best I had used was a combination of a " Tranquilizer and an Enhancer2000...this was my benchmark for almost 2 seasons.
I did a " Blind Shot Test" a while back shooting a bunch of different makes and models, and the Stealth came out best in Noise, recoil, and vibration reduction of all the models I tested which included SIMS, Vibracheck, Doinker, AEP, NAP, X-Ring, Hi-Tek to name a few..........I also continue to head-to-head these stabilzers as I test and purchase new bow set-ups.
" Saggitarius" also did a review of the Stealth a little while ago also, and he also found the Stealth to be the best he' s tried and he like myself likes SIMS products as well, (and he also has a few stabilizers I' ve never tried including Kyber)

IF you can find the right length/weight combo to balance your particular set-up you won' t be dissapointed in a Stealth. Until the day I test one better that' s what I will shoot on any of my hunting bows.
I really can' t help with the balance issue on the Mathews LX....I haven' t held one yet. What might help your decision is to place stabilizers of known weights that you might own into both front and back to come up with a front/back weight ratio that balances your bow properly before you purchase. If you have a shop that will let you play you should have no problem...........either way you won' t have to guess.

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Matt/PA,
The explanation I received from SVL was that sometimes a stabilizer can be so effective that it removes so much noise and vibration that it allows you to notice things that were not noticeable before. That is why sometimes people say that the SVL Modular made their bow sound different and wasn' t sure of its effectiveness. I think it really is hard sometimes to make comparisons between archery products because of all various factors that need to be controlled in order to make a fair comparison. I don' t necessarily doubt your findings concerning the Stealth stabilizer though. For your particular bow, that may be the best combination.

SVL has always been upfront with me when they test their stabilizers against the competition. I tend to favor their testing procedures because it takes the human element/bias out of the testing (if done ethically). Test equipment shows no preference or bias, it just provides performance measurements. They were honest about the effectiveness of the Quiet-Tune vs their Modular System. Their tests found the Stealth did not compare in their tests. Having said that, the reason I don' t necessarily disagree with your findings is because every bow has different harmonics and every bow is different because of the accessories, etc. that are placed on it. That is why the Quiet-Tune is so effective is because it can be tuned to match the harmonic characteristics of the bow. The SVL has a similiar design in which you can add or subtract modules until you find the best combo for your bow. Just one person' s opinion.

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OK, I will have to disagree about " No-Bias" (friendly like of course ;)) with SIMS testing stabilizers........do you really think a company who' s bread and butter is noise/vibration reduction is going to say " Yep that really is better than ours." ?? Every archery manufacturer KNOWS they' re the best and they ALL say that they can back it up. I don' t let the manufacturers decide for me what is best....I like to know first hand.
All I know is that through all the " Real world" testing that I' ve done and others just like me have found otherwise.......that' s what I' ll put stock in everytime. I know I have no way to " QUantify" what I found, but it was there.......and when I say blind testing I mean that I was not even allowed to see what stabilizer was on the bow! (ask my poor wife who is my " assistant" :)) There was NO BIAS.
If you are saying that the one that felt better, and sounded quieter isn' t really the better one then I' m a confused individual.
I know what you are saying about maybe what I felt was " Best" for my particular set-up, but.........
I haven' t done this with ONE bow.......the test bows I' ve tested these stabilizers on are as follows:

BowTech Mighty Mite
BowTech Pro38 DUal Cam
Hoyt Defiant XT2000 Redline
Hoyt Striker Redline
Hoyt Ultratec CC+
BowTech Pro38 Single Cam
Darton Rampage

That shows a cross section of everything from Hard single cams, and aggressive dual cams to even CPS style cams..........what else is there?

Not an argument honest.......I just know FIRST HAND that whatever SIMS might have to say about what I have found and " Saggitarius" has found and what everyone else here who uses one has found is pure bologna....with cheese.

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Matt.
did you have to put the cheese on:D

I just sent you a PM with some questions

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I don' t know about all the testing and bias but I know I was bias when I tested my Sims aganist the Stealth. I wanted the best stablizer on my bow I could get. The modular Sims is good but compared to others I have shot it is average and a 50.00 stablizer shouldn' t be average. I also had to Loctite the sections to keep them from getting loose every 10 shots. My 11 year old loves the Sims on his Parker but I won' t let him shoot my Stealth for fear of having to order another one;). Don

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Matt/PA,
You' re absolutely right about manufacturers always thinking their product is the " best" out in the market. Some are worse than others and you really have to learn to read between the lines. I probably didn' t make myself very clear when I made the statement " I tend to favor their testing procedures because it takes the human element/bias out of the testing (if done ethically). " What I meant to say is that testing equipment usually doesn' t show bias, it simply reports measurements and if the testing is done ethically(meaning apples-to-apples, no hopped up products or human interference) then this should provide an objective review of a product.

I guess I tend to believe most of what SVL tells me simply because of their well-deserved reputation as vibration, noise reduction specialists. When I inquired about other stabilizers such as Quiet Tune, Vibracheck & Doinker, of course they always told me that their product was better, but they also would tell me that these other stabilizers performed well in certain areas and not so well in other areas. With the Stealth, I didn' t really get the same response as I did with Vibracheck or Doinker. They said they tested it and it really didn' t perform any better than any other stabilizer based on liquid and/or granular design. I was actually very suprised by their response because of all the positive feedback I' ve heard about the Stealth stabilizer. Your testing however seems to prove otherwise and does seem very convincing since you tested it on several bows and did a " blindfold" test. It' s really hard to argue against that type of testing.

I may have purchase a Stealth and see how stacks up against the Quiet Tune and SVL, since I already have both. I do have one question though, it is my understanding that any type of liquid in a stabilizer will be subject to changes in performance if you reach temperature below freezing. Have you tested the Stealth in any extreme temperature ranges? Thanks for the insight.

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BHunter32,
You should keep inmind that Stealth stabilizers are weighted 60/40....one end has 60% of the weight.
I ship them with the mounting stud in the light end,putting the weight out front.
You can change the balance of your setup,by moving the mounting stud to the opposite end,then the mass of the stabilizer is close to the bow!
A nice option that I thought you should be aware of.
Jerry www.stealtharchery.com

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Last summer I tested several stabilizers, using a digital sound meter. I tested the Vibracheck, Doinker, X-Ring, Tranquilizer, and Stealth. Although they all preformed well, the Stealth had far more noise reduction than the others, at least on my bow.
Trebark

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Stealthman,
Have you considered adding a 4" stabilizer to your selection? The reason I ask is because a lot of people are starting to realize the benefits of adding stabilizers to back of their risers and a 4" seems to be a pretty popular size. I noticed on your web site that 6" is your smallest size. What do you think?

Also, if you custom made a 4" size or any size for that matter, would the performance be proportionally the same as your other standard sizes? I just want to make sure that performance is not lost when ordering a size other than your standard offerings. Sometimes depending on the technology inside, certain sizes seem to work better than others on various stabilizers. Thanks.

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Stealthman,

Is there anyway to get the stabilizers in a camo pattern? Can they be dipped like a riser is? Thanks

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OKbowhunter,
I have built quite a few custom 4" stabilizers,I have considered putting a 4" on my site as a standard option.
The only problem with a 4" for use as a rear mount stabilizer is that on several brands of bows....a 4" is a little bit to long to allow for enough clearance for the buss cable to move forward when the bow is fired!
I have a Mathews Q2XL and have a 3 1/2" Stealth mounted in the rear stabilizer bushing,a 4" is a tad to long for most Mathews!
I have shot the bow with a 4" mounted on the rear and noticed the cable moved far enough forward that it came incontact with the rear mounted stabilizer,this is not a problem on BowTech or Darton,Hoyt has no provision for a rear mounted stabilizer that I know of.
Although the cable did not show any sign of abrasion from this slight contact,I built a custom 3 1/2 for the bow!
The smaller you go when building stabilizers, the smaller the chambers and less performance you get,a hunting setup require`s less stabilizer for sound & vibration absorbtion because, most use a heavier arrow!
The 6" & 8" have very close to the same performance,when you drop down to a 4" there is a difference in performance! No matter what brand you choose,the smaller the stabilizer the less effect it will have.
Hope I helped awnser your question,look for there to be a smaller Stealth on my site some time in the future,I`m just not sure whether to go with a 4" or 3 1/2" .....guess there is a need for both!

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I do offer the option to send the stabilizer of your choice to be camo dipped!
They can do most of the popular patterns,but it is costly to have done in a small quantity.
Add 25.00 to the cost on my site,this covers the shipping and handling cost of sending them out and the camo dipping.
I have had a few requests for this and they really look nice when they come back! The turn around time for this is 4 to 6 weeks,so you dont want to be in a hurry.
I know this is expensive,but you get to pick the length,weight and camo you want.....not to many places give you that many choices,plus you are getting one very well made,well performing " custom" stabilizer!
I myself am happy with the standard Stealth black,but that is me!
Jerry

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And for $1 you can cover it with an adhesive backed camo fleece like you line your bowshelf with...

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Good point!
I know of several guys that have used the CamoClad tape on their stabilizers,and they look quite good.
Some guys just want them dipped so,I give them what they want!
Thats what a " custom" stabilizer is.......just what you want!
Jerry www.stealtharchery.com

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Stealthman, I was just wondering how are your stabilizers affected by changes in temperature, and what is inside them? Sometimes I hunt in very cold temperatures and was just curious as to how the stealth hunter will perform when I do? Thanks.

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The Stealth is not effected by cold weather as it has a multi viscosity hydraulic fluid in one chamber and a granular mix in the other, in other words you can not freeze it,at least not at temps that living warm blooded animals are still around.
I hunt in some pretty cold weather myself and have tested the Stealth in below zero weather,in fact I took my 3rd P&Y whitetail this year and it was -5 degrees with the windchill that morning! The Stealth did its job, as my bow just went " thump" ! Now,if I could just figure out how to keep my toes warm,brrrrr!
You can check out some of the animals taken by hunters using Stealth equipment on my website!
www.stealtharchery.com