slow down?
 

ok boys i have a bit of a delimma that ihope yall can help with...
before i went with the carbon arrows i was shooting below 250 fps and after streamlining my string and going to a lighter arrow i'm shooting 273 fps.but my broadheads(steelforce) are going all over the place... like im shooting screwballs... went with a heavy heicle and helped some but still not like before at slower speeds.... so im thinking of going back to the slower speed... so that means i will have to re stock on a lot of equipement.... unless i can get some helpful input from you guys...

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Can you provide us with more info that may help us to try and help you ...as to

What poundage are you shooting?
What Draw Length are you shooting?
What Shaft Length are you shooting?
What Arrow and What Spine Carbon are you shooting?
What Point and Broadhead weight are you shooting?
What Bow are you shooting?
What Rest are you using?
Have you spin tested your arrows with the Broadheads on them?
What is the FOC on your arrow ?
Have you paper tuned the bow with feild points and with Broadheads?
Can you post any pic's of your bow setup?

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Did things change when you switched arrows, or when you sped up the bow? Simply speeding up the bow normally doesn't cause that much trouble, especially at the speeds you are talking about, but it could change the spine of the arrow required. However changing arrows, messing with the weight on the string and that sort of stuff will profoundly mess with how things work.

There is whole list of things that could be wrong now. Did you re tune the bow? Are your arrows good? Are they the correct spine for your bow? You can't just slap new arrows on and expect everything to work perfect. Especially when going from aluminums to carbons. You said you are shooting a helical fletch, are you sure you are not getting fetching contact? Even with a drop away you can have fletching contact, they need to be checked and set up properly.

We would need to know a lot more information before we could even start guessing what your problem is.

Paul

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im shooting gold tip xt at 29.5 inches long with a pull of 29"..63lbs.. using steelforce premium at 100 grains...tko drop rest andbear trx 36 inch bow..before the speed increse everything was just wonderful then i changed arrows and took off the d loop and thats when things sort of fell apart as far as the broadhead flight goes... i like the speed but not the screwball effect... with a more pronounced helical its improved but still not like it used to be... there is not constant grouping ...its like their floating .... i use the 5575 but have purchased a half dozen 7595s and it helped some but not like i like... i hit within two inches of my field tips but again not in a consistant group...
thanks "guys" for taking the time to help

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We can assume but I'll ask anyway, did you retune the bow to the new arrows?

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FOC, Spine, properly built arrows, and correctly installed inserts. Lots of things go into building a great hunting arrow. Give the info asked for above and everyone will chip in some advice. You should be able to shoot the faster speeds without a problem if everything is as should be.

Dan

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You may be getting nock pinch without a d-loop.Did you install eliminator buttons?

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the bow was tuned and checked at the bow shop.... what other info do you need
thanks again for the effort

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Answer Lady Forge's questions. That's a good start.

Dan

RE: slow down?
 

im shooting gold tip xt at 29.5 inches long with a pull of 29"..63lbs.. using steelforce premium at 100 grains...tko drop rest andbear trx 36 inch bow..before the speed increse everything was just wonderful then i changed arrows and took off the d loop and thats when things sort of fell apart as far as the broadhead flight goes... i like the speed but not the screwball effect... with a more pronounced helical its improved but still not like it used to be... there is not constant grouping ...its like their floating .... i use the 5575 but have purchased a half dozen 7595s and it helped some but not like i like... i hit within two inches of my field tips but again not in a consistant group...
thanks "guys" for taking the time to help
if you need more please let me know

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or you could read the fourth post and get the same info as above there meanvf2.
you know on second thought never mind....
after reading a few of the post lately i am sort of thinking that you guys are sort of looking for something to b.... about instead of trying to help.
if you aint got anything useful to say just shut up....
i was really looiking for some input but really just never mind...

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Wyliescrib, i ran your numbers through OT2 and the 5575's showed weak spine at the specs you gave. Of course the 7595's showed overspine at the same specs. I was wondering if you could cut the 5775's shorter to 28 inches and still be safe as at this length the spine showed good. You mentioned that the arrows were kind of corkscrewing so I am thinking that you may need to do a little work on your bow yet. Very possibly your nock may be a little high and your arrow rest may need to be adjusted in or out a little more for fine tuning. Did your field points also do this cork screwing after you did the adjustments on your bow.

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Plus,shooting off the string without a d-loop will make your arrows react weak.

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SAY TFOX

WHAT ARE ELIMINATOR BUTTONS?

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We used to call them Rubber ducks. They are a small rubber button about half the size of a pea with a hole through it for your bowstring to go through. If you don't use a loop, then they slide up the string against your arrow nock, and you clip on your release underneath it.

Dan

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What he said.:D

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Wow, thats a great way to get help. All we wanted to know was what your set up was and what you have done to it. It's sort of hard to diagnose shooting problems over the internet without good information. If you want to get all pissy about it take it to a shop and let them fix it, Oh wait you did that and it still shoots wrong?

There is nothing worse than trying to help someone, spending hours looking stuff up, running numbers and trying to guess what might be wrong, then they don't appreciate any of it or don't listen anyway. Or in your case whine about it.

It's not uncommon for people to switch from aluminums to carbons and not bother adjusting the rest or nocking point when you need to because in most cases the diameter of the arrow changed, among other things.

Sounds to me like you should have just left things alone. You went from shooting a fairly forgiving set up with good arrows to shooting without a string loop and using cheap crappy carbon arrows with big ass fixed blade heads. Without actually seeing your set up and looking at it, and watching you shoot there isn't much we can do but sit around make guesses. Go back to the shop that sold you the arrows and set it up and have them help you. Maybe they won't charge you to do it?

That's about as honest and helpful as I can get for you.

Maybe you just don't shoot well enough to use that set up?

By the way I know of several other decent archery sites you can go to instead of this one if you don't like the help you get. If you want I can list them for you. Or you could just use a search engine. All the info we are giving you is already on the net anyway if you would take the time to look it up.

Paul

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there is nothing to say except thanks for the help "guys"......