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Doegirl75 11-03-2007 01:48 PM

Broadhead planing issues...
 
I'm trying to get my magnus stingers to group. About every 3-5 shots, I get a flyer. Generally impacts high. I weeded out one bad arrow that was throwing off even field points. They spintest just fine-zero wobble. I'm using 4" feathers fletched helical and a drop away rest. I'm also testing Wasp Boss broadheads and they are absolutely dead on. I don't want to give up completely on the Stingers, but I might set them aside for this season and use the Wasps. Should I try 5" feathers, different arrow, any suggestions?

brucelanthier 11-03-2007 04:25 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 
Number your arrows so you can tell which one does what. The flyer may be an arrow with a questionable spine and by numbering them you'll be able to tell if the flyer is always the same arrow. Do you spintest with the broadheads on? If so, did the broadhead point stay in the same place? I mark an index card and hold it at the broadhead tip to see if the tip "wobbles". If it does wobble you may need to square off the insert or you can try a different broadhead on that arrow. It may be a broadhead that is causing the flyer.

Doegirl75 11-03-2007 04:55 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier

Number your arrows so you can tell which one does what. The flyer may be an arrow with a questionable spine and by numbering them you'll be able to tell if the flyer is always the same arrow. Do you spintest with the broadheads on? If so, did the broadhead point stay in the same place? I mark an index card and hold it at the broadhead tip to see if the tip "wobbles". If it does wobble you may need to square off the insert or you can try a different broadhead on that arrow. It may be a broadhead that is causing the flyer.
I figure out my "flier" arrows exactly as you described. The only time I do spintest is with broadheads. I cannot yet, pinpoint the offending broadhead and/or arrow. I don't know how to square off an axis arrow. I just assume the bad arrow will forever be used for target practice only.

BGfisher 11-03-2007 05:28 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 
Are you sure the arrows are spined correctly for the bow?

Doegirl75 11-03-2007 05:36 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: BGfisher

Are you sure the arrows are spined correctly for the bow?
According to OnTarget! 2, I'm in the green but heading towards the weaker side. Easton Axis Obsession arrows cut to 25", 100grain points, 4" feathers. Bow's a Bowtech Equalizer @50lbs and 25" draw.

skipperfishflipper 11-03-2007 05:41 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 
on target? where are you located?

Doegirl75 11-03-2007 05:57 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: skipperfishflipper

on target? where are you located?
I assume you mean on the spine chart. Barely on the green. If I take the weight off the string, then I'm in the weak category. I arbitrarily put down 20grains total weight on the string since I have no idea how much a string loop and a Fletcher peep weighs.

BGfisher 11-03-2007 07:46 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 
You didn't say what spine you are shooting and I don't know or care what OT2 says. I say 500 spine and am just drawing that from my little pea size brain.

Doegirl75 11-03-2007 08:05 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: BGfisher

You didn't say what spine you are shooting and I don't know or care what OT2 says. I say 500 spine and am just drawing that from my little pea size brain.
Yes, they would be the 500's.

SwampCollie 11-03-2007 08:35 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 
One high on every 3-5 shots usually means one thing, and one easy fix....

STOP PULLING YOUR SHOTS.

Its that simple (or should I say complex) really.

If you are like most bowhunters are, you probably come from the bottom up on targets. You learned to draw a line up the back of the off front leg... and thats good.. thats what you should be doing. But, what you are likely doing is freaking out and having trouble getting your bow arm up and trusting the float so to speak, and jerking your arm up and punching the trigger at the same time.

Don't take this the wrong way... heck I still do it all the time. Everyone pulls a couple now and then. One in every 3-5 is the shooter... happens to all of us... if all the rest of your shots are money... theres really nothing else it could be but you.

Doegirl75 11-04-2007 07:52 AM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: SwampCollie

One high on every 3-5 shots usually means one thing, and one easy fix....

STOP PULLING YOUR SHOTS.

Its that simple (or should I say complex) really.

If you are like most bowhunters are, you probably come from the bottom up on targets. You learned to draw a line up the back of the off front leg... and thats good.. thats what you should be doing. But, what you are likely doing is freaking out and having trouble getting your bow arm up and trusting the float so to speak, and jerking your arm up and punching the trigger at the same time.

Don't take this the wrong way... heck I still do it all the time. Everyone pulls a couple now and then. One in every 3-5 is the shooter... happens to all of us... if all the rest of your shots are money... theres really nothing else it could be but you.
Sounds good, but why is it that I miraculously somehow stop pulling shots when I screw on a field point or a Wasp Boss?

SwampCollie 11-04-2007 09:15 AM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 


ORIGINAL: Doegirl75


Sounds good, but why is it that I miraculously somehow stop pulling shots when I screw on a field point or a Wasp Boss?

Different broadheads react to different things differently. Wow, thats a mouthful...

What I mean by that is if you have a longer broadhead, such as those stingers you mentioned, they can infact be MORE subject to minor flinches or form techniques. Same goes for clearance issues or unsquare arrows. Just like some bows are easier to shoot than others, some broadheads are easier to get good flight out of than others. Muzzy's for example, are one of the hardest broadheads to consistant, good arrow flight from. Reason being that the trocar tip is very heavy. If you're form is decent, your arrows not spined right, your arrows not squarely cut, and if you get just the smallest amount of wiggle in them... that extra weigth way out front is going to cause you some real headaches. I'm not knocking muzzy's, they are awesome... but that is one of their weakest points. If you get them flying good, then you can usually get almost anything flying good.

Doegirl75 11-04-2007 10:00 AM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: SwampCollie


ORIGINAL: Doegirl75


Sounds good, but why is it that I miraculously somehow stop pulling shots when I screw on a field point or a Wasp Boss?

Different broadheads react to different things differently. Wow, thats a mouthful...

What I mean by that is if you have a longer broadhead, such as those stingers you mentioned, they can infact be MORE subject to minor flinches or form techniques. Same goes for clearance issues or unsquare arrows. Just like some bows are easier to shoot than others, some broadheads are easier to get good flight out of than others. Muzzy's for example, are one of the hardest broadheads to consistant, good arrow flight from. Reason being that the trocar tip is very heavy. If you're form is decent, your arrows not spined right, your arrows not squarely cut, and if you get just the smallest amount of wiggle in them... that extra weigth way out front is going to cause you some real headaches. I'm not knocking muzzy's, they are awesome... but that is one of their weakest points. If you get them flying good, then you can usually get almost anything flying good.
I see what your saying and agree 100%. What form or tuning flaws I could get away with using field points or smaller broadheads the Stingers won't tolerate.
I think this season I'll press the "Easy Button" and stick with the more forgiving Wasp heads for now.

BGfisher 11-04-2007 01:22 PM

RE: Broadhead planing issues...
 

ORIGINAL: Doegirl75


ORIGINAL: SwampCollie


ORIGINAL: Doegirl75


Sounds good, but why is it that I miraculously somehow stop pulling shots when I screw on a field point or a Wasp Boss?

I think that would be a good idea. I tell ya. I've been shooting and hunting for 35 years now with a bow. Things have improved over that time technologically, but it reaches a point where many times "the latest and greatest" just isn't that much ebetter than what's already on the market. If you have something that works well and you have confidence in it then just go ahead with it.

What really perlexes me is the exhorbitant prices broadheads are grabbing these days. Totally uncalled for, but the buying public is always looking for some magic fix to their shooting problems when the real fix is most often poor shooting form or lack of proper tuning.

So long as a broadhead flies well and is sharp as can be I worry more about how well the blades are retained in the ferrule should bone magically get in the way. I've lost blads in an animal before and it gets a little scary removing the entrails knowing there's a razor blade somewhere in there.


Different broadheads react to different things differently. Wow, thats a mouthful...

What I mean by that is if you have a longer broadhead, such as those stingers you mentioned, they can infact be MORE subject to minor flinches or form techniques. Same goes for clearance issues or unsquare arrows. Just like some bows are easier to shoot than others, some broadheads are easier to get good flight out of than others. Muzzy's for example, are one of the hardest broadheads to consistant, good arrow flight from. Reason being that the trocar tip is very heavy. If you're form is decent, your arrows not spined right, your arrows not squarely cut, and if you get just the smallest amount of wiggle in them... that extra weigth way out front is going to cause you some real headaches. I'm not knocking muzzy's, they are awesome... but that is one of their weakest points. If you get them flying good, then you can usually get almost anything flying good.
I see what your saying and agree 100%. What form or tuning flaws I could get away with using field points or smaller broadheads the Stingers won't tolerate.
I think this season I'll press the "Easy Button" and stick with the more forgiving Wasp heads for now.


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