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I need to purchase one
any suggestion's
thanks greg

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[STANISLAWSKI!red][/red]

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Well, that did`nt print like I thought it would. Stanislawski makes great back tension releases.

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I'll second the Stanislawski's.I own 7 or 8 of them,Stan111's,Mirages,Sahara's,X-Calibers.They are a fantastic release.

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thanks alot
Iam ordering, stan mirage tomorrow
this should be a good start on tp recovery
thanks again
greg
ps big country try out the carbon 4 runner extreme if you get a chance it's short but very stable

Edited by - c4extrem on 01/17/2002 21:27:27

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Greg,
Mine is a Truball Chappy Boss. I have nothing but good things to say about it. A truly excellent release.

Some of the other top shooters in the area shoot Carter releases, the insatiable for one, and they have nothing but good things to say about them.

None of these are cheap, so if you can try some first, it might not be a bad thing.

Good luck!!

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Stan's are great releases, as well as Truball.

I've been a big fan of Carter releases for some time. The Atension and the Insatiable have the exact same grip, but one is a thumb trigger release and the other is a pure back tension style.

By having both releases I can go between the two and have the same feel in my hand, but different styles of releases.

Great products (but they ain't cheap....)

www.releaseaid.com

Edited by - Black Frog on 01/17/2002 21:47:36

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Martin Man
my hca rep is a carter rep Ill give him a call he lives within 1hour
I will look into all mfg for later purchaces
I can get stanislawski by monday to get started
for a 1st timer on back tension release
with truball would you suggest? i noticed one had a safe fire trigger

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Truball and Carter are my favorite back tension releases. I currently shoot a Carter Insatiable with great results. Try out a few first to see which one you prefer. Like mentioned before these are not cheap so make sure you choose the one that best fits you before you buy it.

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Greg,

Since I haven't needed a new release in about 3 years, I can't give great info on prices. Try going to their website www.truball.com. I have talked to the Summers family several times (Ben et al.) and they are very customer oriented. If you drop them an e-mail, I'm sure that they will be happy to help. Make sure that you let them know what size of hand you have (small, medium or large). My hand is small and has no problem fitting my Chappy Boss.

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thanks shane
?for ya. my wifes uncle lives there he's a retired dentist {wallace} did you meet?

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c4extrem, I already have a 4runner, though not a carbon one. Super fast!

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<font color=green> WHY the need for a back tension realease? you can use any old release as a backtension release!!</font id=green> Dee Wilde uses a wrist strap release and a back tension style, he is a world champ.

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Carter has a new release out called the Solution 2 -- pictures are now on the website. It has a safety and travel that always the same once the safety is released. It is not excessively long either. I would like to try one out.

I have used Stans (really like the Sahara), Carters, and Zeniths for pure BT releases and I use a TruBall XTreme (thumb).

Some people can't have a tough time shooting a wrist stap release with BT and easily revert to punching and such. For every pro out there who uses a wrist stap, there is a pro using a pure BT release and several using thumb trigger releases using BT. Also many pros practice with pure BT releases. I have a video of a shoot-off between Jeff Hopkins (thumb trigger), Randy Ulmer (pure BT), and Collin Boothe (wrist strap). So to each his own. Personally, I have trouble getting a good anchor with a wrist stap release, but I can shoot one.

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zenith with the clicker all the way!

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I love my TRU Ball sweet spot (ultra 4). I especially like the safety feature as I am just learning BT and I make enough mistakes to trigger the other style BT releases on the draw... I've tried a bunch of them. With a safety I can forget about all that and concentrate on my shot. It does add a step to my sequence but I am not too bothered by that as my sequence has been evolving until recently so it didn't feel 'weird' to have to take the safety off.

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SuperX

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RobVos is right on.
That's why people should learn to use a TRIGGERLESS BT release.The Carters and Truballs thumb models are fine releases,but when you have that trigger on them it doesn't take long for some to want to start punching again or anticipating the shot going off.
Also the comment earlier about Dee Wilde using a wrist strap trigger release is true,but you can bet he has spent countless hrs with a true BT release.
Any release can and should be shot with pure BT but it will take time and dicipline to do it correctly.

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Looks like this is a good topic
I did go with the stan mirage
thanks again for all the feedback

Big Country same spec -16oz
@63# 28&quot;arrow 327gr 304fps 493gr 257fps

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I don't understand the punchin problem, maybe it's just me but I have no problems putting down my recurve, picking up someone's compound with the same draw and shooting a wrist strap with backtension. This isn't ment to offend anybody, but stop thinking so much, that is what causes a release punch, you start thinking and you don't stay relaxed, archery is very instintive, this is why I find that pure stick shooters have advantage over us, because it's all about the body and muscle memory, not sites, no release, a stick shooting a stick. www.truball.com has a very insightful read out on back tension by Larry Wise. From my experience, I have seen backtension releases make some peoples target panic worse, especially when you punch yourself in the lip with one. I agree with thumb or pinky triggers, just not much for a release that makes up its mind before you do.
Good shooting.
Dylan

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Edited by - 55#recurve on 01/18/2002 20:32:32

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I like to shoot a wrist release with BT. But that doesn't make the &quot;real&quot; BT releases (ones without any seperate trigger element) are irrelevant. They have the best surprise release going, that is why people punch themselves - I don't know about you guys, but that would come as a surprise to me. The key with the Stans is to basicaly just pull them with the index finger, until you are good to go. I found I could occasionaly blow them, when shooting heavier bows, which is why I prefer the wrist releases for work. I think the stans are the best for training. They have to be shot well, just as you would have us shoot, Dylan. And for a few bucks I can afford to have them in the bag. Just be sure to get the stans that are unstable. There are some with a loop behind the moon fitting, and they look as though they would be powerful on the draw, but they don't upset as you would like them to do. Trball makes a great release, including some odd pure release. If they have a trigger, they ain't real back tension releases any more than a Mongoose.

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I can't name the number of times I have seen someone &quot;claim&quot; they shoot pure back tension with a index finger release not be able to shoot a real BT release without collapsing. This isn't to say that those here don't use BT, by that I don't always believe the claims.

Now it the release can be &quot;touched off,&quot; the temptation to do so will come to most people. When I shoot my thumb release, if I draw and anchor and I am dead on the x, I am temped to jump on the thumb. My Zenith makes me do thing properly every time, as did my Stan.

If a BT release apparently make TP worse, that just means it was there in full the whole time, but wasn't being addressed.

Oh, and once you learn how to draw/shoot a BT release, you won't punch yourself.

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Any release can be shot using back tension but if its got a trigger it is not a true back tension release. If you have a problem &quot;punching&quot; or have target panic,you have to get rid of the trigger. The release has to be a surprise so your conscious mind will go back to just aiming instead of trying to aim and control the release. Once you shoot the Stan youll be hooked.

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Just on the semantic thing. I obviously agree that a release is only a pure back tension release if it doesn't have a trigger lever, etc... On the other hand when you shoot/release with backtension you are triggering basicaly all these releases the same way, you are changing the angles of the body to the release. The stan feels purer, because by the time you get one in your hand, if you are like most of us you have pulled thousands of triggers, you understand what that feels like, with the stan it isn't as clear at first, so you really get a surprise. But you can still &quot;punch&quot; a stan, by tipping your wrist, and you can set up on a thumb release with your thumb blocked against your index finger so that you would have to move stuff before you could punch the shot. A stan can also be set up with too much sear so that there isn't any way it will go off with BT, and you have to crank it. It is always a subtle thing, and in some ways even more interesting than the fingers release. What I have noticed in training people is that they won't really get what they are supposed to be doing with BT until they get a stan (and simmilar) in their hands, after that they really learn that BT isn't just something you do while smootly pulling the trigger.

On the mouth punching thing, just practice with some cord instead of a bow, at first, and you will get the sense of how to fire the thing off without endangering your teeth. When you draw back, your teeth should never be in line with your release anyway. If you can't draw the bow without endangering your face, it's too heavy for you.

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Ossage
I agree with your point on being able to fire the Stan by tipping your hand purposely but it will be the ugliest miss you have ever seen. When I had target panic and went to the Stan it only took two of those huge misses do discourage me from ever doing it again. However with a trigger I could get away with punching it and not always have a bad result because just moving my trigger finger didnt upset my form as bad as having to move my whole hand or arm. There is more incentive to cure something you KNOW is going to produce a negative result than something you often get away with.

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got the Stanislawdki today
Went out & shot with it wow!
mist it by 18&quot;s from where i wanted to hit about 5 times . {Bonecollector} I see what you mean. then it started getting closer & closer about 20 shots later i was holding on target & hit 1&quot; spot 1 arrow at a time.
Lot of practice ahead thou
It's agood feeling to put a arrow where you were aiming at, again.
thanks to all of you & this forum for a place to go & get good info from alot of differant people to help an indivual
good shooting & many thanks
Greg

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Greg
Glad things are coming together.
a couple things to remember are&gt;&gt; Don't set the Stan to fast you want it a little slow so you are pulling pretty hard to get it to dump(this also helps avoid eating the release).
If you are using the factory rope head on the Stan you may want to shorten the rope a little(most are very long).
The blank bale is the place to learn to shoot the Stan,IMHO groups would be the farthest thing from my mind,give the blank a try and get the feel for the release. By the way I also use the Mirage more than any of the others,it's very comfortable to me but I leave my pinky off of it.
Good Luck! You'll master it in time.

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OHarcher
i did set it up abit, & i do have to pivot it to make it release, it makes me WAIT & hold on target. I don't use little finger or rope
? can I or is it ok to hold it vertical after draw back, then start to release.
after reading that back , i should be using back tension to have it release, should'nt I ? just a thought. will work on it tomorrow

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The main thing with a B/T release is:Your drawlength needs to be dead on or just a shade short to get the full benefit of back tension.Even as much as a 1/4-1/2&quot;long makes good B/T hard to acheive.
Your anchor with this type release is a personal thing (whatever feels comfortable to you)I've seen guys rotate them vertical,some keep them flat,others at around 45 degrees.
I personally draw with the relesae flat,as I get close to my anchor I get my elbow up and in-line with the shaft and rotate release to about 45 degrees then settle in and begin aiming.Once im on the spot I begin the push pull.Push meaning=Push with bow arm directly at the spot.Pull meaning=Pull with back muscles(imagine a wall about 4&quot; behind your elbow)try to take your elbow straight back to touch the wall.
The surprise release is what your after,try not to think about rotating your hand to fire the release (If you think about rotating that may be a sure fire way to learn to punch the Stan and that's not what you want).Let the slight rotation come naturally and from your back muscles not your hand.

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OHarcher has described things well. I would like to add (and some will argue this, but it is true) that you cannot properly execute the shot with your BACK muscles if you turn the release to vertical. I recommend staying somewhere between horizontal (or flat, as OH said) and 45°. This will allow you to use yout Rhomboids to set the release off.

I have also found that I seem to get the most consistent release by only using 2 fingers. This is a very personal thing though, but for me, I seem to tense up a bit more with 3 or 4 fingers invloved.

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If you are shooting T-handle grips then a dead vertical position with the back of the hand against the face might be over-extended. However 70-80 deg is certainly possible, it seems as though that is the angle Randy Ulmer and Larry Weir are using in their video, with Stans etc...

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Rob Vos is correct about the angle. Somewhere between 30-60 degrees is optimal. If you go much higher than that youll have to drop your release arm to make it go off and will no longer be using your back.