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Whisker Biscuit inaccuracy!
Does anyone else think their Whisker Biscuit is making their groups inconsistent? I have noticed my groups have spread out since I switched to a whisker biscuit. I only switched because my old fall away broke, and because I didn't have the money to get a decent fall away. Anyways I have been looking at the QAD ultra hunter fall away rest. Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.
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I am not a WB fan but if you are suffering from accuracy problems after switching to it.I am going to lean toward a setup problem which is the main problem I have with them.
One of the problems might be that your arrows aren't nocked the same and you are getting more contact with the stiff bristles on some shot more than others. If you are shooting broadheads and have a spine issue,the WB will magnify it. |
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Good suggestions TFOX, one thing it could be also is if its the wrong size bisquite for your arrow. If its a large whole with a small arrow you could get alot of slop in there.
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Well when I shoot my arrows the cock feather is always straight up so none of the feathers hit the black in the WB. And as far as the set up problem I don't know what it would be. Bought the WB from the local Sport shop and had them install it. The size is for carbon arrows.
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Are you shooting helical or offset? I'm also betting it's a tuning issue....While I'm not a fan, I haven't see the rest be the SOLE issue to accuracy problems....
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Im shooting offset vanes.
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The arrow stays in contact with the rest longer than on a drop away which will magnify any form inconsistancies and tunning problems.
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Your issue isn't with the Whisker Biscuit.
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Unless your form is perfect or at least very very consistent, no tork, good follow through etc., the whisker biscuit will magnify any problems you might have. This happens because the arrow is in contact with the wb for the entire length of the arrow. Any slight movement before the arrow clears the rest will affect its trajectory. With a drop away, once you let the string go, the arrow is on its way unimpeded. I shot a wb for years and loved it, but once I switched to a drop away my groupstightened big time and that was that.
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ORIGINAL: loogout1 Unless your form is perfect or at least very very consistent, no tork, good follow through etc., the whisker biscuit will magnify any problems you might have. This happens because the arrow is in contact with the wb for the entire length of the arrow. Any slight movement before the arrow clears the rest will affect its trajectory. With a drop away, once you let the string go, the arrow is on its way unimpeded. I shot a wb for years and loved it, but once I switched to a drop away my groupstightened big time and that was that. Add in the fact that 99% of dropaways are setup so they drop in the last 1/2" to 3/4" of the draw cycle........and if you video tape 50 shots from the average shooter they are going to creep anywhere from 1/16 to 1/4" on probably 25%+ of their shots without even knowing it. Knowing this creep happens to even world class shooters, is more common when hunting conditions often prevent you from perfect shooting form, and that it makes the rest move.......how does this affect your arrow on that drop away that moves the last 1/2" of the draw cycle when you creep? If you noticed an improvement in your shooting when going to adropaway from a biscuit it was purely the mental side of the game because you had convinced yourself that you have found the solution. ;)[8D] |
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I think the wisker is great!!!
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Id hate to say it but its not the whisker biscuit. I have won many 3d shoots and archery leagues shooting one. One thing I would look for on it is to make sure that the hole in the "biscuit" is just slightly larger then your arrows
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Alot of truth RickJames but the WB has contact even after it has left the string but a drop away or conventional rest does not,if setup properly.
IMO,this is kind of the difference between a reflex riser and a deflex riser,small amount but it makes a difference imo.BUT,the difference is a shooters error and not the rest.Just a matter of forgiveness. If I creep with my fallaway, it won't make a difference because it is setup to be forgiving to creep,I have checked with creep tuning but you are right,some setups are not forgiving to it. |
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I would start from scratch and re-set it up again. Too many people shoot the Whisker Biscuit and suffer no accuracy problems to arbitrarily blame it on the rest.
Somethings not right, do some basic tuning and I bet the problem will surface. I'd start with a simple walk back tune to get your center shot correct, make sure the biscuit is installed level and square to the bow as well as theproper center shot. Check to be sure the hole opening is correct for the size arrows you are shooting...when in doubt go one size bigger. I also like to start with an even tiller and level nock then adjust from there. Good luck with it, once set up it will give you years of trouble free service. |
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Does anyone else think their Whisker Biscuit is making their groups inconsistent? Are there better rests for target shooting? Probably, but I always make my choices based on the advantages while hunting. Even if it were proven beyond doubt that is was a less forgiving rest, I would still use it and without a second thought. |
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Risking the wrath of the WB crowd, I must say there is no one rest that will work perfectly for everybody. That includes the WB. If it's not allowing you to shoot up to your usual standards, then get rid of it and pick another rest.
I'm still using my old GKF Golden Premier prong rest. It's ancient, as arrow rests go, but it hasn't given me a single reason to even try to find something better. |
RE: Whisker Biscuit inaccuracy!
I'm still using my old GKF Golden Premier prong rest. It's ancient, as arrow rests go, but it hasn't given me a single reason to even try to find something better. My thoughts tend to mirror many of the others here. I have set up thousands of WBs on various bows. I cannot think of one occasion where a tuned WB caused someone to shoot worse than either a conventional rest or a drop-away. |
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Uhhh, ok.
ORIGINAL: Rick James ORIGINAL: loogout1 Unless your form is perfect or at least very very consistent, no tork, good follow through etc., the whisker biscuit will magnify any problems you might have. This happens because the arrow is in contact with the wb for the entire length of the arrow. Any slight movement before the arrow clears the rest will affect its trajectory. With a drop away, once you let the string go, the arrow is on its way unimpeded. I shot a wb for years and loved it, but once I switched to a drop away my groupstightened big time and that was that. Add in the fact that 99% of dropaways are setup so they drop in the last 1/2" to 3/4" of the draw cycle........and if you video tape 50 shots from the average shooter they are going to creep anywhere from 1/16 to 1/4" on probably 25%+ of their shots without even knowing it. Knowing this creep happens to even world class shooters, is more common when hunting conditions often prevent you from perfect shooting form, and that it makes the rest move.......how does this affect your arrow on that drop away that moves the last 1/2" of the draw cycle when you creep? If you noticed an improvement in your shooting when going to adropaway from a biscuit it was purely the mental side of the game because you had convinced yourself that you have found the solution. ;)[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: PABowhntr I'm still using my old GKF Golden Premier prong rest. It's ancient, as arrow rests go, but it hasn't given me a single reason to even try to find something better. My thoughts tend to mirror many of the others here. I have set up thousands of WBs on various bows. I cannot think of one occasion where a tuned WB caused someone to shoot worse than either a conventional rest or a drop-away. Everyone has covered the topic pretty darn well so I've got nothing to add that hasn't been said by TFOX, Rick James, BigJ or Straight. Excellent explanation of the effects of torque at the string Matt. |
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The GKF premier was probably one of the best rest ever,I even have one that I made into a fallaway.[8D]
But I am not using them anymore. |
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Well, that didn't work.
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Got ya the link BJ. It's a tiny pic though.
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ORIGINAL: ParkerTrailblazer The size is for carbon arrows. Also, if you've had it for a while and this is a recent problem, it may be that the whiskers are becoming worn out and need replacing. Especially, for example if you're shooting a stiffer fletching like Blazer vanes which will cause more wear on the whiskers. This was an issue I had with a WB in the past. I was shooting Blazers and practing (a bunch) and it wore the whiskers out pretty fast. Like others have said, though, make sure alignment & center-shot are correct as well. |
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Thanks Rob- Thats Jim Desparts target from Vegas, yes he was using a whisker biscuit.
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ORIGINAL: Rick James Your issue isn't with the Whisker Biscuit. I agree with Rick cause i am only 14 and i shoot a biscuit and i cant get really good groups at about 27 yards being about 1 inch sometimes, but cant shoot perfect every time so not always that good, but if i can get that then the whisker isnt the issue make sure it is tuned right, and make sure your have the right size bisciut. |
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