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esmith3102 09-10-2007 10:37 AM

2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 
i have always wanted to try the 2 blade broadheads. I would also like to get alittle heavier arrow setup. My set up now is really good but just alittle light for my liking. I seems that the 2 blade's are heavier. Do you feel that they are just as good as 3 blade's? I am just hesitant in that they will open them up to let a good blood trail. What are your thought's with the 2 blades vs. the 3 blades?

8pt~Bowhunter 09-10-2007 11:01 AM

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I have never tried theRage Broadhead, but I have read very good reviews on the Rage 2 in.:)

Thisis awebsiteabout theRage broadhead.:D

http://mikehanback.blogs.com/bigbuckzone/2006/03/new_rage_broadh.html

GR8atta2d 09-10-2007 11:09 AM

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5 Shot just did a review of Rage in the main Archery forum.

Don't discount 4 blades either the muzzy mx-4 is an awesome head!

Kanga 09-10-2007 11:48 AM

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I am using the Muzzy Phantom SS they come as a 220gr head but I took out the 2 smaller blades to leave me with a 200gr head they fly like lazers and have some serious hitting power.

The blades are .040 thick so they have some serious bone breaking ability.:D

esmith3102 09-10-2007 04:02 PM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 
If i were to try the 2 blade muzzy i am assuming that i just screw them in. Unlike my 3 blades now where i align them with my feathers.

Kanga 09-10-2007 04:40 PM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 

ORIGINAL: esmith3102

If i were to try the 2 blade muzzy i am assuming that i just screw them in. Unlike my 3 blades now where i align them with my feathers.
Yes.
Plus the aligning the blades with vanes/feathers is just a old wives tail and does not have any effect on arrow flight and is basicly a pain in the rear to get aligned;)

txrvrbttmstlkr 09-13-2007 08:00 PM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 
I never have used two blades but ol' Pappa Bearruined alotof deer's day with them before he saw a need to develop the four blade. I know alot of outfitters in Texas will not let you use a two blade because they seem to think the wound entrance and/or exit will close up easier and result in the loss of the animal or a harder tracking job.

Bradkoz 09-13-2007 11:31 PM

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i shot a deer a few years back using a muzzy two blade and hit back near the rear leg and messed her up so she couldnt run then i shot her again in the ribs slight 1/4 too me but i wanted to put another one in her and the deer layed down and i sat and watched it for about ten minutes looked like it was gonna die and i only had one arrow left in my quiver. i turned to watch this buck and turned back and she was walking off with two arrows sticking out the other side of her. 3hrs later i went looking for her and found both arrows and decent blood within 50yrds and looked up and she was walking off slow so came back about 10hrs later and not one drop of blood from the last spot she layed down. i looked for along time with three other guys and did tons of drive one that area that year and never found anything. that was the last time i shot fixed heads and also the last time i ever lost a deer. one other deer i shot before that one that year had poor blood trail. i know there have been plenty of deer taken with them but why chance it.

Kanga 09-14-2007 04:00 AM

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i shot a deer a few years back using a muzzy two blade and hit back near the rear leg and messed her up so she couldnt run then i shot her again in the ribs slight 1/4 too me but i wanted to put another one in her and the deer layed down and i sat and watched it for about ten minutes looked like it was gonna die and i only had one arrow left in my quiver
Why blame the broad head when you made 2 bad shots?
You still had an arrow left you should have used that one to put the deer down for good.

I have taken a lot of big game animals with 2 blade broad heads including a 2000lb Asian Water Buffalo, put the arrow where it needs to go and it will do the job.

Straightarrow 09-14-2007 04:14 AM

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I seems that the 2 blade's are heavier.
Some are, but most are available in the typical weight configurations. If you want more weight, you can simply add more weight to the insert.

One advantage to many of the 2-blade designs are the thickness of the blades. Thick blades do not bend as easily when they hit bone. This can make a big difference on a less than optimal hit. However, putting a skimpy 100 gr 2-blade head on, doesn't offer much advantage other than possibly a bit more penetration on good hits.

There are tradeoffs with each design. None work best in all situations, though most work adequately when the hit is a good one on a medium sized animal like a whitetail. Most rib hits with a two-blade should be passthroughs unless your setup is a very low energy one, or something's not tuned right.

In general, more blades increases the momentum it takes to get a passthrough. More blades usually equals a greater chance of wind affecting their flight, bone deflecting their path and their thinner blades breaking. On the plus side, more damage is done per inch of penetration and the wounds tend to bleed longer when using more blades .

For me, hitting the ribs exactly where I want and getting a complete passthrough, usually results in a deer that dies within 7-14 seconds. The thick 2-blade designs usually give me the best chance of this happening. This year I'll be shooting the thicker Muzzy Phantoms in their 2-blade configuration out of both my recurve and my compound.

Bradkoz 09-14-2007 09:52 PM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 

ORIGINAL: Ausie-guy


i shot a deer a few years back using a muzzy two blade and hit back near the rear leg and messed her up so she couldnt run then i shot her again in the ribs slight 1/4 too me but i wanted to put another one in her and the deer layed down and i sat and watched it for about ten minutes looked like it was gonna die and i only had one arrow left in my quiver
Why blame the broad head when you made 2 bad shots?
You still had an arrow left you should have used that one to put the deer down for good.

I have taken a lot of big game animals with 2 blade broad heads including a 2000lb Asian Water Buffalo, put the arrow where it needs to go and it will do the job.
my second shot was where it needed to be tucked behind the shoulder on a 1/4ing to shot. im not saying they were good shots just should have been a dead deer and ive taken enough to know that it shouldnt have survived. im with you a hundred percent on putting it where it needs to go and itll do the job, but this was my experience and im sorry that im not a perfect shot every single time in my life like you and made a poor one but with two arrows one of which was where i wanted in the deer i was really disapointed with the performance. i also said that two blade heads have taken lots of game but i gave my 2 cents.

Straightarrow 09-15-2007 05:49 AM

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im not saying they were good shots just should have been a dead deer and ive taken enough to know that it shouldnt have survived.
If you hit them where they should have died, and they didn't, I would guess that it was something that was a correctable problem. There isn't much that can go wrong with a fixed blade head, but there are a couple. One, it might not have been sharp enough. Another, is it may have been on an arrow that was not travelling straight. This can happen because of deflection, wind, low FOC, low arrow weight, out of tune bow, poorly tuned arrow or an unseen defect. None of these can be blamed on the broadhead, except a defect.

I suppose any broadhead is suseptible to a possible defect, however one of the other senerios is far more likely to have been the cause. The fact that the arrows were sticking out of the deer, suggest penetration was not good. Penetration is one of the advantages of two-blade designs, which suggests that the arrow had one of the above mentioned problems (of course I'm assuming the hit was good like you said).



ijimmy 09-15-2007 09:29 AM

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2 blade heads are great , Ive used magnus for years with great results , and they fly better than some of the biger 3 blade heads

Bradkoz 09-15-2007 10:04 PM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 
like i said before i dont doubt that they work great most of the time but with todays heads why take the chance unless you have low KE. with my situation i stongly believe more cutting surface would have helped and i should have noted that the second shot was sticking out the other side of the deer the fletch was holding it in. i think they penetrate awsome i think my first shot went into the opposite rear leg on its way out and thats why i didnt pass through but with my second shot placement (likely one lung liver cause of quartering shot) i think with two arrows in it it should have dided within the time i gave it and if not died withing a 1/2 mile. just my situation i know tons of people have had deer go two feet and fall over but poor shots will happen once in awhile and i think that is where there is an advantage to more cutting surface. my recurve heads have two little bleeders that really cant soak up too much energy but will help cut that x shape in the hide and tissue.

JimPic 09-15-2007 10:31 PM

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I've been using 2-bl heads for years and killed alot of deer with them.Every one I tagged,I watched or heard it crash within 80yds.I've gone thru shoulder blades,busted ribs going in and out and always had decent blood on the ground

Straightarrow 09-17-2007 04:37 AM

RE: 2 Blade vs. 3 Blade
 

poor shots will happen once in awhile and i think that is where there is an advantage to more cutting surface.
This is where we differ. When the shot is in a good spot, 3 and 4-blade designs still penetrate fine on medium/large size game. They work and probably a bit a faster with generally better blood trails (as long as they pass through). When you make a poor shot and hit a non-vital area - no broadhead will work reliably. In these situations you're depending on luck to hit a major artery. When you make a poor shot that hits bone, thick muscle or something that is protecting a vital area, penetration is the key to making a kill. The 2-blade design has an advantage here.

I have never heard of a person hitting a vital with a 2 blade design and complain that it didn't kill the animal. If they have a problem they usually complain about a poor blood trail. Myself, I'm very good at trailing, so I usually opt for the other advantages the 2-blade design give me.


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