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I have been looking at getting new arrows and broadheads, but I am looking at stuff and there are so many different weights for both arrows and broadheads, Basically what I am looking for is the fastest most accurate flight posible.with the least amount of drop as posible.
I am shooting a 70# draw bow at a 29" draw with my arrows cut at 30 1/2", Thanks for any and all info
John

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There is no such thing. The "most accurate flight possible" comes from arrows that have a high FOC. This builds in stability when shooting a broadhead in adverse conditions that occur while hunting. Arrows with a high FOC will not have "the least amount of drop as possible".

You choose one at the expense of the other. Personally, I don't care about drop, since I will know the distance I'm shooting. When the distance is known, the high FOC arrow will be the easiest one to hit the target with.

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I picked some information up off another forum that is proving quite accurate. They stated: The best ratio for speed vs. KE = 6.2 gpi x draw weight. Example 70# x 6.2 = 434 grain arrow, total weight with broadhead.

If you are shooting a30.5" arrow and say 100 gr. BH then you are looking for an arrow that is 10.9 gpi with insert and vanes.The accuracy part of your question depends on a whole lot more besides which arrow you shoot. Most important......you.

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If the arrow is spined properly and the bow tuned properly the shooter is the biggest issue.I have arrows from 390 grains to 435 grains and FOC from 9% to 12.8% the only difference in performance is me.

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I used to think that and then I changed my mind after working with a lot of bowhunters and and many different arrow configurations. I can build an arrow where an experienced bowhunter would have a difficult time hitting a bale of hay at 20 yards with a broadhead attached. I can also take people who has never shot an arrow and get most hitting a 4-5" circle within 15 minutes, if I give them an arrow that matches their setup.

The right arrow can mean the difference of a foot or two and 20 yards. The right practice can make the difference of an inch or two at 20 yards.

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Amen!!!! Ditto!!!!! I second that!!!!!!

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It seems that a lot of people like sounding smart and not really answering anyone's question. Could it be possible that John is looking for the fastestAND the most accurate flight possible? Meaning that he would want a forgiving arrow (high FOC)anda correctly spined arrow, but the lightest arrow that fits the two previous requirements. I don't mean to dog on anyone it's just that John has a legitimate request and so far no one has given him any information that will help him in his goal. I love this sight and have learned more in the last month that I've been visiting this forum than I learned in the previous 6 years of bowhunting. That said, I wish the experienced guys on here that know their stuff would not only critique the question but answer it to the best of their knowledge. I know Gold Tip has a super light arrow that seems to have a stiff spine but I'm not sure how it fairs in FOC. I like Easton Axis ST. They are thin so they have less suseptability to wind drift and they say that they provide excellent penetration (I will know if this is true when I go for some blackbuck next weekend, I'll probably shoot at 50 yds). You must realize however, that at 70# and a 30.5" arrow you will need somethine pretty stiff which weighs more. While I'm sure there are lighter arrows that will suffice for your setup, I reccomend Easton Axis ST. But if you really want speed, look at the Gold Tip. I think it has light in the title. Sorry for the long post, just my 2 cents.

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For what you are asking, I would think you would want something like a Gold Tip Ultralight (75-95)or Carbon Tech Cheetah (65-80). They will give you a stiffer arrow with lighter weight. Going with at least a 125 gr. point/broadhead will raise the FOC and make the arrow more stable. I also don't know why you are shooting a 30.5" arrow with a 29" draw. If you shorten it up some, the arrow will be stiffer, and you can add more point weight to again make it more stable like Straightarrow was talking about. Victory arrows make the HV series of light weight arrows as well. I am shooting the Cheetahs for 2 years now, and really like them. I am getting very good broadhead flight without loading up the point. I'll eventually get to doing that experiment, but I am set for this year and I'm not changing anything. My experience has also been that I am the biggest variable in broadhead accuracy. I do spin test each arrow/point though, and shoot Slick Trick heads.

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The GT 7595's would be underspined atyour arrow length and a 125 gr tip @ 70 lbs and a 29" arrow.

You'd probably need a spine of .320 or stiffer from any manufacturer for an arrow that long and definitely with a 125 gr tip. You probably should the shorten the arrow as recommended by Joe PA if pssible with your bow.

My buddy has a 29" draw and uses a 28" arrow and 125 gr tip with the 7595 series and is slightly overpined for his Matthews. That same arrow for me is underspined for my Allegiance.

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Ok John.

Let me ask youa couple ofquestion before Idesign an arrow for you.

At what ranges are you going to be shooting? Is it going to be normal hunting ranges inside 30 yards or long range hunting and target shooting?

Now before I can run the program to come up with an arrow I will also need bow make, model and your preference to what weight head and fletching.

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I think there is another factor here to be considered like what is referred to above. Dave mentions itbeing the differencein the camsbetween the two manufacturers, Mathews and Bowtech or any other maker, one is a bit less hard whereoneis a bit more in cam turn over. I know several bow techs that believe this and your saying the same arrow will performdifferentwhen shot out these two bows. Especially when your close in spine changes for the charts made for an arrows use. Just my .02

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Ausie,

Wouldn't you also need an arrow put through a chronowith his bow infoand the arrow info for the arrow used? The programs are only moderately accurate without that info unless you already have his bow in your system that was chrono'd and you adjusted the IBO.

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Dave.

The program I have does not require me to shoot through a crono to get the right arrow;)

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With the OT2 I can subtract 10 fps or so and be real close. However, without every piece of info I don't see how it's possible to be right on?

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i know how fast i'm going to shoot the arrows before i even build them, or buy them.

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Dave.

Trust me I have done enough tests with arrows thatAA has come up with to know it is that close it is not funny.

I dont use OT2 as I found it to be too unreliable.

Even the estimated speed AA comes up with is only off by 1 or 2 fps.

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I believe my set up is over spined I am shooting the cx maxima 350 with 28 inch arrows out of a 60# vectrix with 100 gr broadheads. 2 inch blazers.

I have a very tight group and all seems well.
:eek:

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I wish I would have known that before I got OnTarget. I must say, that setups vary so much, I would expect any program to be somewhat inaccurate. If someone has a lot on the string, or an odd draw length (slightly different string or cable length), dips their arrows, pulls extra hard into the valley or has some other factor that is not typical, the program would be off. It seems to me that a crono reading would be neccessary for real accuracy on any individual setup.

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Very easy to correct. A combination of increasing tip weight and increasing draw weight will weaken the dynamic spine. Do it while bareshaft testing and you can get it just right. A side benefit will be increased FOC.

I have a wide assortment of tip weights and insert adapters I use when tuning my arrows. I would recommend every serious shooter to have such an assortment.

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By switching to a 125 gr broadhead do you think the arrow would drop to the point I would have to resight my bow. I have a single pin HHA sight and it is sighted in from 20-60 yrds with the correct tape ( the sight has a unique way of sighting in )

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Mr. O. If you change to a 125 gr. point, your point of impact will change (lower). This would also change the trajectory at least a little bit.

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Arrow Dynamics Nitro Stingers with a 125 grn head and 4 inch feather fletch.

They are a tapered design arrow and very stiff. They have built in higher FOC because of the tapered design and because of the way they are built they don't flex like a conventional arrow.

They are the best arrow I have seen for shooting fixed blade broad heads. The down side is they are not that easy to find, most shops don't carry them so you would have to order them. Also the nocks are kind of weak so they break easy when you try to group with the other arrows. You can add a uni bushing and better nocks though if you want.

My opinion anyway.

Paul