If you had no problems before changing the string and cables then I suggest that is causing the problem.

I'm not familiar w/ the binary cams system but I would check and measure everything. Especially TILLER.
I had the same problem just yesterday. I had changed the string and cables(on a Trykon)and since then could not get it paper tuned, and arrow flight was inconsistent. Even though the ATA,brace,and cam timingmarks were correct, the tiller was way off. The top limb was out by 1/4" an inch.

I know a Trykon is not at all similar to your Alligence ,BUT,they are both 2 cam bows and as such tiller needs to be even top and bottom so the limbs and cams mirror each other on release.
One or the other cam rotating before the other will cause the problems you are speaking of.

Check it out and see.

Buckeye - The cables are crossed below. I made sure of it when I put the strings on.

Doug - Not true.

Mez - The main reason this is bugging me now is because we had things perfect before. Field points tore perfect. Broadheads tore perfect. Broadheads and fieldpoints had the same POI out to 40 yards [I haven't shot it further yet.] It wouldn't bug me had it not shot perfectly before.

Mobow - My thoughts as well, to an extent. The cam lean isn't horrible and may have been there before. I just never paid much attention.

Dave - I'll read the link and try things out again when I'm back at work on Friday.

Archer - The tiller was off slightly, we adjusted it this morning but still had a pain in the butt time tuning with anything but the NAP Smart Rest. We have it tearing perfect holes at 6 feet, but it tears high at 10 yards. Broadheads don'e shoot bullets now either.

Ughh.

Dan,

Bowtech has admitted the cam lean issue-in their latest catalog they claim they have improved the models by moving mass to the "center of the cam"

every Bowtech model I have ever seen-with the exception of the Guardian-seems to have this problem. On the Tribute it has not only cam lean but noticeable limb twist.

interesting, when the Binary cam was first introduced Iemailed Bowtech and was told "cam lean was machined out of the bows", but then later cam lean was admitted-and in another email I was told that "all bows lean".

I am still trying to understand what exactly is the advantage of this design over the popularhybrid and one cam design. It seems to me the alledged benefit (that of tying the cams togetherto work as one) is offsetby the cam lean and limb twist.

Darton holds the patent for the Binary Cam-on their model that does not feature a yoke system I understand one side is beefed up-on the other models they retain a yoke system.

Doug,

I have only come into contact with a small handful of Bowtech bows with any noticable cam lean.

Do some Bowtech's have a noticable cam lean? Yes.

Does every bow sporting the Binary cam have cam lean? No.

This is the last I'm posting on the Bowtech/Cam lean issue. The thread was started to seek help in tuning my bow, not point out any of Bowtech's flaws.

Thanks,

Dan

Did you check the way you have your cables ran? I see you mentioned where they are crossing below the cable guard, but I was mostly referring to if you had the cables strung correctly.

That's affirmative.

I think most anyone who changes string/cables will see a difference of some sort and new tuning will be needed. Its almost impossible to put on a new string and set of cables and get it exactly as it was before. Think of this also, after you shoot a couple hundred shots the new set may very likely "setin" and bring it closer as to where it was before. If nothing was damaged when the set was changed, most likely a twist of the cables or string one way or the other may be in order and perhaps you haven't found the spot yet. I only have other thing to say........these newer bows(any brand) shot with the lighter arrows of today are NOT any easier to tune than older bows. Now because of the newer string materials and the advances in bow designs/materials, they certainly are easier to keep in tune, once tuned.

Coug -

I've been thinking along those lines as well. I have the next three days off, so I'll shoot the bow as much as I can to try and break this string in and see if I can't get her tuned at work again this weekend.

As far as light arrows go... Mine aren't light, I don't think. I'm shooting a 427 grain arrow with a 27.5" draw. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were getting at...?

Have you triedlowering your DW just to see what happens?

We did try that, Bruce. We lowered it down to about 66 lbs without any noticable difference.