ALLEGIANCE..VIBRATIONS when shot...
 

I just got my bowtech allegiance and it vibrates when shot??
Wasn't expecting that from this hi-end expensive bow.

I am shooting at 60 pds with an proghorn trophy taker, and A/C/C 339 28 inches arrow...

Anybody have the same experience....what did you do ?

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What do you mean by "vibrations" when shot? Do you mean that you feel some vibes in the grip as the arrow is released? Is that the full setup you are using?

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I have the same bow, no vibe though. Shooting a 430 grain axis arrow. Did you check to make sure everything was tight(i.e. screws,sights,stabilizer)?

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My Allegiance, fully rigged doesn't have much in the handle. It does however have a little more than the Guardian I must say. Bare bow is where I really noticed the difference in the two. But since loading my Allegiance up, they are very similar IMO.

Check to make sure everything is tight. When its new, sometimes the mod screws in the cams can back out a few times until it settles in.

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The only vibration I've ever noticed in my Allegiance was before I loc-tited the mod screws in, as Muzzyman said. Be sure to use the appropriate loc-tite, as per your owner's manual.

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Check your limb dampeners..Make sure they are at the end of the limbs near where the cam hole is..but also make sure they do not interfere with the cam movement.

Also at 60# if it's a 60-70lb bow you may sense more vibration than if you had it at least mid-range..the higher the poundage the less string vibration you'll feel. I tried turning mine down to 60 for league..it still shot good but twanged like some old hill-billy banjo.

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Allegiance, still makes noise
[ol][*]Screws are dead tight.[*]The limb dampeners arewell placed at the end of limbs.[*]There is no sight on the bow, just a drop away arrow rest and a 10oz, 11 inch doinker. (Trieda multirod and a simsstab too).the doinker reduce a little hand shock...the other one did nothing.[*]Shooting with 28 inch 100gr ACC 3.39[/ol]
Bow is at60 pds (peak weight) andvibrates (BUURRZZZ))in limbs and hand...

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So it vibrates and makes a buzzing noise? Something sounds out of place. I have not handled this year's model but I did handle last year's and did not find this to be the case. Any idea what those arrows of your weigh? Excess energy not absorbed by the arrow may be being released into the bow via vibration and noise. I have not really noticed this with many parralel limb style bows however different setups do produce different results.

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I just setup & tuned 4 07's they definitly have more vibration than the 06's.I geuss thats what happens when you slim down the riser!

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I spoke to one of the techs at my local shop and he described the 07 Allegiance as a "tuning fork." Not wanting to believe this becuase I have an 05 Ally I decided to see for myself. While I would put it in the joy buzzer category, the lighter weight does come with a price. It had noticeably more vibration than my 05. I even had them put a Fuse stabilizer and sight on to see if it helped. It did, but it still had more vibration.

What I would suggest is getting an STS or MeanV CSS suppressor. Either one of these should significantly reduce the felt vibration in any bow.

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I have an '07 Allegiance and there is no vibration at all on my bow set at 65 lbs or 70 lbs with 6 in doinker and whisker biscuit.It's the best bow I've ever owned and I shot about 5 different manufacturers before choosing this bow and didn't notice a bog difference between any of the parrallel limb bows.

To be honest. I'm still trying to figure out what everyone is talking about when they say about vibration? Like I stated above I shot 5 different manufacturers and didn't notice a big difference. Either everyone is getting soft when it comes to bows or my hands are dead. It seems like everyone describes this "vibration" like they are shooting a .44 Mag and they expected it to be a .22 short!!!

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I had an 05 allegiance, only time I every had any problems with vibration was when I took the string silencers and stabilizer off and shot a 350 grain arrow at 70 lbs. Put the stablizer back on and virtualy no vibration.

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I own a 07 alliegiance and I have no problem with a vibration/hand shock.I also shotall the newhoyt,mathews,bear,bowtech and to tell you the truth they all were shock free it really comes down to what feels comfortable in your hand.The top end bows a made so good now a days there really not a bad one out there.It all comes down to preferance.Compaired to the bow in the 80's they all shoot like a dream.

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For you guys that say you don't feel any vibration, do you use an STS or CSS or other type of string suppressor? If not, I would suggest getting one and putting it on your bow and shooting with it for a while. Then remove it and shoot your bow. If you do not put it right back on after feeling the vibration that you didn't feel before I'll buy the suppressor from you.

I did just that with my 05 Allegiance. I have a Stealth stabilizer, Bowtech's hush kit, Limbsavers and even had two Sims modules on my rear stabilizer hole. I got an STS and put it on and shot with it for a while. I didn't really think there was much of a difference except addtional weight, so I took it off. I took two shots that felt like I had a joy buzzer in my hand and put it right back on.

The point is, you don't realize how much vibration there is because you are used to it. Shoot a Guardian next to an Allegiance and you'll see what I mean.

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IfI do not notice it without the STS then why would I put an STS on my bow? It makes no sense to buy something that you do not need in the first place.It always seems like every post gets way off topic in here.

It seems like people buy more and more gimmicks because someone told them it's a great idea. Then, after they've spent the money they automatically think it makes a bog difference. I shot a Hoyt Vectrix with the built in STS system and it had more vibration in my opinion than my '07 Allegiance. Someone else may shoot the Allegiance and say it has more vibration.

I think your mind makes you feel what you want to feel ased on certain facts. Like, one bow has a draw cycle you like better. So, you think that bow vibrates less. All of these bows vobrate about 1/20'th as much as my '90 Bear Whitetail legend I used to use.

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I did shoot the guardian and the allegiance back to back and was there a drifference yes the guardian was a bit more quite as for hand shock I don,t think there was a big drifference.I will tell you this much the allegiance had a much nicer draw cycle. ( just my opinion)

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Dave, how can you say that something is a gimmick when you've never tried it? I said in my earlier post that like you, I felt that my Allegiance was very quiet and had very little hand shock, but I like to tinker, so I tried the STS. After putting it on I didn't realize what a difference it made until I took it off.

Shooting a Hoyt with their string suppressor is not a valid comparison to your Allegiance because they are two different bows.

I have been shooting bows for nearly 20 years now so I know the difference between vibration, recoil, hand shock, draw cycle, and string oscillation. I can feel a difference in vibration in the 07 Allegiance, from my 05. I even went so far as to shoot my bow without the STS and then put my accessories on the 07 and it still had more vibration. It was not a "tuning fork" as the tech described, but there was a noticeable difference.

You are right, the difference in hand shock from one bow to another today is negligable when compared to the bows of 10 years ago. Please understand that I am not saying the 07 Allegiance is a bad bow. I love the draw cycle and the new grip is a dream. The drop in weight is also very nice, but comes with a price. I felt that there was not enough advantage to change, but that does not take away from the fact that it is a great bow.

The bottom line is Robin Woods has an issue with the vibration he is feeling in his Allegiance. I have felt it in the bow I shot and I believe that a string suppressing device would solve his problem. I have no interest or stock in these devices other than believing thatthey work and trying to help a fellow archer.

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I've been shooting bows since 1982. My point is that I think people are making way too much out of something that really isn't an issue in the first place. And when you start to think about something that wasn't an issue in the first place it becomes one.

Maybe everyone talking about all of htis vibration has it stuck in people's heads that it's a problem. That's what i was trying to convey. If it ain't broke in my eyes why fix it.

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I have not shot the 07 Allegiance, but I also don't "get" the vibration thing. My current bow, an '04 Champion Liberty, has some vibration without a stabilizer. It has virtually none with a Sims Enhancer and S-coil though. I had an STS unit on my Darton Tundra. Dartons are supposedly notorious for vibration. The bow made a different noise with the STS, sharper and shorter. It was not any quieter though. Less vibration with the STS? Yes, a little, but not enough without it to be a bother, and yes, I did take it off and put it back on enough times to be sure. It really cracks me up when guys will take one of the most shock free bows made, like a Switchback or Tribute, then put on an STS or one of its clones, and rave about how much difference it made. Go shoot a mid-'90s speed bow with hard dual cams, then enjoy your new bow.;)

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JoePa, one of the bows I had during the speed craze was a High Country High Caliber with hatchet cams and an overdraw. I was shooting 26 inch Easton 1816 XX75s out of it. By the end of a 3D round my bow hand was about numb![&:]

As far as the STS product goes, we'll have to agree to disagree. I know that mine has made a difference on my bow and realize these things are often subjective. I think that if Robin Woods gave it a try it would help out his problem.

Dave, you're right, sometimes when you get something in your head it creates a problem that previously didn't exist. Robin came to us with his problem so hopefully we have been able to help and not create any new ones for him.

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Iagree that if he has an issue with vibration he should try out different means of solving the problem. Robin has an issue with his bow and he's looking for a cure.

I guess the big question is what type of vibration is he feeling and were is it coming from. If there is more vibration in his bow than someone else with the same bow then there is a problem and maybe he should take it to where he bought it, or other Bowtech Dealership, and have them check the bow out before spending money on vibration dampening items that would mask a potentially dangerous issue. That's the type of input I should ahve started out with.

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HuntingBry: I will agree that I am in the minority when it comes to the STS. I tried it on 2 bows. The Tundra it did squelch vibes enough to tell, but without it the vibes weren't really all that bad. On the McPherson Edge, it actually made the bow louder. Vibes were really not that much different. I guess if you can get them in the "sweet spot, it might be better. Today's bows really are nice compared to what we had a few years ago. I also agree that if vibration is the main problem with this Allegiance, then a supressor would get rid of that. My concern would be..."Why is a bow that should be quiet and pretty much vibe free having such a vibration problem?" Could be something that the shooter should know about that would be masked by the STS. I also found a major difference with my Liberty could be felt when I shortened the string and cables 1" each. Added 5# and vibration was cut by about 70%.

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I found it !!![/b]

After trying 6 stabilizer$… After testing different arrow size$ and brands$.. After adding 2 Sims limb dampener$, after adding a string $uppressor system . After spying on my bow every single time I shot it…I found it. I found where the strong BUURRZZZVVV came from.

I was looking at my Tomkat and another when I noticed how close the cams where to the branches. When I looked at my new Allegiance 07 too compare, I noticed that the space between the cams and the branch was microscopic. I checked the sides and saw traces of both cams slightly rubbing on the branches..ah ha ! voila !!

Now, after putting spacers on both cams, the top one is still too close (a paper will hold in place when put in between the top cam & the branch.)

So when shooting, the top cam always rubs and transferring shock to the branches.) Bummer!!! And worst...sometimes It let’s out this little burned smell from the rubbing!!

Thanks for the advice guys, . I found it.
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So check your cams when you buy your Bowtech bows

P.S: Who said it was ok to put that bow in the box??!!!!!!!

Have fun shooting

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Robin,

Some else on a thread was talking about the same issue. Did you put the spacer in yourself? Or, have a dealership do it for you? Eitherway, you should call bowtech and tell them about the issue. I know that my cams are very close but do not rub and I believe all of the '07 allegiances are llike that.

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I believe it was Muzzyman88 that had that same issue. He took it to his shop and they got it taken care of for him (for the most part). You should PM him to get the details.

I'm glad you found it. Good luck.

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I ahve an 06 Ally and had a vibration sound,I had a Trophy Ridge mantis sight.Just changed to a Copper John.No more sound.Deadly quiet