What is wrong with my setup?
 

Standing behind my hanging bow, shouldn't your bow string line up through the center of your rest and at the same time, be aligned with your pins?

Not my bow....my pins are a good 1/16" or moreto the left of my bow string.

My cock feather, which is pointed down because I shoot a two prong rest, hits the left prong no matter how much I turn the feather. Thus my arrows turn a bit sideways while heading down range. Yet, I am dead nuts at 40 yards!?

So, if I align my sight with my string which in turn aligns with the center of my rest, I am 2" left at 10 yds, 4" left at 20 yds, etc. etc.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I really don't want to take it to a shop because I like to do things myself.

Thanks guys.

RE: What is wrong with my setup?
 

That is normal. That shows the reasoning why setting 3rd and 4th axis on a sight is more difficult and has to be set to a persons hand torque. There is side pressure applied as you draw your bow which causes the bow to torque. Offset cable slides help reduce the amount of torque, thus bringing your sight path and arrow path into more of a parallel line.

Don't worry about it.... Mine does the same thing.....

RE: What is wrong with my setup?
 

It sounds like you're referring to center shot?:eek:

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The lasers are out of my price range. Is there anything that is affordable for checking the center shot?

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Center shot is a great starting place. Through tuning you will find out just where the rest has to be for things to work when you shoot. That is why bows set up at rest are not in tune until you shoot the bow and induce these torques.

Get just about any bow set up with a proper tune, and you will find that the pins will probably look as referred in the original post.

Just about everyone has some sort of hand torque. Meaning that pressures are applied outside of a straight line while holding still at full draw, not meaning that you twist your hand when you shoot.

The first time I noticed that it freaked me out too.

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If I start moving my rest....that means I will have to adjust my peep and my loop?

Sorry for these questions, I am new to tuning a bow.

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Sounds like you need to go to the proshop and let a professional handle this issue. Unless you have a press and other tuning tools, you might find yourself struggling...

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We'll see. I still have 7.5 months until I take my hunting trip to Wisconsin. I would rather tinker for now. I don't learn anything by handing my bow over to anyone. But I do realize that serious problems need major equipment to fix. I'll keep an open mind and see what happens. The only thing I have not messed around with is my rest.

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You will if you go up and down, not side to side. There are a couple of good threads on here for tuning already. Great info....

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From what I've read, to get center shot your arrow needs to follow the "path of force". To get this, you have to get a nocked arrow to align with your string and sight pin. Some rest adjustment might be necessary. (3/4" from riser) I think this is right.:)

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The longer I sit here and think about things...the more I think about moving that rest to the left. Then re-centering my pins with my rest and string. If my string is forcing my arrow along the left prong, then my rest would be too far to the right.

So, I just need to make sure i don't move the rest up and down for now. I would still like to purchase a center shot tool though. Any suggestions on one that is affordable? (<$30)

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Early in, the path of force that you are talking about is probably different at full draw than it is at rest. That is why you need to set 3rd and 4th axis on sights. The arrow in most cases does not leave the bow perfectly perpendicular to the shelf. If anyone finds a setup that does, let me know. I will buy one.

The "in" "out" method for setting up a sight proves this theory. TFOX gave me a website that talks about this for further understanding. Maybe he can post it here for you to read also.....

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What do you mean by setting 3rd and 4th axis on sights?

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Yes, that sounds real good. You can never learn too much.:D

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I need to say I shoot with an HHA OL5000 single vertical pin sight on my Vectrix XLand adjusted my sight to line up and Ihave perfect center shot. Honest.:DI'd still like to see that link.;)

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Here is the website for 3rd and 4rth axis.Ausie gave it to me.;)
http://www.archerytech.com/

Here is a thread i started to help tune and set centershot of a bow.This should keep you busy a while.;)

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2020182

RE: What is wrong with my setup?
 

sorry to sound like an jackass,
but.......

If you are Shooting Dead Nut out to 40 yards why are you worried about your pins being 1/16 offline leftof your string????....if you are dead nut at 40yards your arrow flight and fletch clearance issue is obviously not that bad...unless you are a target shooter and shoot distances out to 80 yards..even then it sounds like its minimal....shoot feathers they are more forgiving to contact....i just read that yourshooting blazers and they areless forgiving than vanes.

or....if that little bit of fletch contact just really bothers you buy a drop away and you wont have to worry about your fletching coming in contact with the arrow rest.

another thing your might want to look into is if your arrows are properly spined for your DL(arrow shaft length), #age of pull, and grain of tip...... no arrow comes out of a bow(any) "strait as an arrow"

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Check out the link that TFOX posted, That explains it better than I ever could. This is as useful for hunting as it is target archery. In the case of tree stand hunting, even more so as you will be shooting at extreme angles.

The site will show you that it is normal for the arrow to be coming out at a different angle as your sight picture at rest. I might warn you also to not overthink the issue unless you want to excercise you brain a little more.

RE: What is wrong with my setup?
 

Well.....

1. I shot feathers for 3 years and wouldn't return to them. SORRY

2. Yes, that fletch contact bothers me. It bothers me to see my arrow turn during flight and then correct itself halfway down the range. I know that isn't right. I have never had this problem with my other bows and when I compare them....it is like comparing apples to oranges or PSE to Mathews. :D

3. I am good for spine. I know nothing comes off perfectly straight but I know I can get better than what I have now.

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Elkcrazy8 and TFOX...thank you. Yourknowledge and posts could prove to be very helpful.

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Damn you got some good eyes to see an arrow out of a 60lbs switchback crooked....i cant see my arrow till it smacks the target when im shooting.

i know now you dont like feathers but try and see if it helps... that means its a contact prob and thus very simple to fix....

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At 40 yards it is very noticable because I have white blazers and am shooting against a black background.

I might pull an old arrow out that has feathers and give it a try. I just wasn't happy with Feathers in the rain. And I like hunting in the rain.

Thanks.

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You should be able to get what you have to fly. I always try to correct the problem, instead of trying to find something that works with the problem. Just a thought........

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completely right.

i was just giving him an easy way to see what the prob might be...before he starts moving things...no what i mean...
things like this can be very frustrating to work out sometime...

whenusing a stinger or sumular style rest some fletch contact is almost impossible to avoid...blazers are unforgiving to contact

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Thanks guys. I have come to the point of no return.....my rest will be adjusted.

When switching from a double prong rest to a drop away...will I have to begin this process all over again?

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Isn't archery great, Just when you think you have it all figured out!!!!!

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Yeah, no kidding. As frustrating as it is, it still beats work.

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Center shot on a Mathews is ususally around11/16 to 13/16. Take a look at your center shot first. If that is fine your rest might be coming up to fast and making contact. Decrease the tension on the spring so it will slow the prongs from comig up and making contact with your fletching. Hope this helps.

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i was looking at my bow today and i also noticed that my rest and my sights were off my like 1/16 or 2/16 i thought your pins and your rest should be alligned with your string...and also when i shoot at greater distances 40 -60 yds it goes right drammatically and then @ 30 yds its pretty good..so then i moved my sight to the right and then i shot @ 10 yds and my arrow went left.....i have a good feeling that my rest got bumped or sumthing cus thats just not right...its not like im goin to shoot a animal that far but i like practicing at farther distances and then i feel more comfortable at 20-30

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the kidd.


I noticed in your picture of the 20 yard group that your arrows are spread out horizontally(left to right).That is a sign of your centershot being off.I didn't say anything because you are still learning about shooting and thought it might just be you but after what you just posted here,I am fairly sure you need to make some centershot adjustments.

read my post and follow some of the suggestions I make and I think you will se the problem disappear.;)

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2020182


Talk about a hijack sorry[8D]

RE: What is wrong with my setup?
 

yeah i know i just finished reading that but for me its kind of hard to underdstand usually i just take it to the bow shop and just let them do it