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TFOX 03-06-2007 10:25 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 
With the bow shooting the first 2 arrows at those speeds,the arrow SHOULD be shooting 264 fpswith the 125 gr tip,not 257 fps.


These kinds of test should be retuned with EACH different setup.


If you are using a loop,the arrow is on the stiff side,if not,the arrow is real close to perfect on spine.

Straightarrow 03-07-2007 04:23 AM

RE: JR's Science Project
 

ORIGINAL: indianahunter83

Physics says that energy cannot be created nor can it be lost... energy is just transfered. You first transfer your energy into the bow that transfers its energy into the arrow which is stopped by the friction of the target (thus energy is lost in the form of friction or heat) The arrow would stop its penetration once it lost all of its energy. Because of this IMO if you were to have all of the variabilities the same except for mass and as long as the tips were identical (except for weight) I would expect all arrows to lose their KE at a constant rate and therefore they would have identical penetrance.
If everything were identical, then penetration would be identical. However, in this example each arrow had a different weight, different FOC, different dynamic spine and a different entry angle.

Add in, the fact that heavier arrows absorb more eneregy from the bow and retain more energy downrange you can see why it has a higher momentum and KE. The heavier arrow should penetrate more if the test is a well controlled one.

Swamp Dawg 03-07-2007 07:53 AM

RE: JR's Science Project
 
I appreciate ya'll chiming in. This test was done in hast partly due to time constraints and partly due to procrastination! I wish I had more time to work the bugs out, but it was due on Tuesday. I doubt the 5th grade teacher will know any better. :)Thanks again.



ArrowMike 03-07-2007 07:18 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 

ORIGINAL: Swamp Dawg

I appreciate ya'll chiming in. This test was done in hast partly due to time constraints and partly due to procrastination! I wish I had more time to work the bugs out, but it was due on Tuesday. I doubt the 5th grade teacher will know any better. :)Thanks again.


Well I think this sums up the test!

TFOX 03-07-2007 07:23 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 

ORIGINAL: ArrowMike


ORIGINAL: Swamp Dawg

I appreciate ya'll chiming in. This test was done in hast partly due to time constraints and partly due to procrastination! I wish I had more time to work the bugs out, but it was due on Tuesday. I doubt the 5th grade teacher will know any better. :)Thanks again.


Well I think this sums up the test!

Unless she was a physics major in college.[8D]

archer 2 03-07-2007 07:37 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 
To start with as someone has already alluded to , any target unless it is made of the gel , there is too much variance to test for penetration differences. But since this was the best to be had for the time constraints it was ok. Even though it said the 125 grain tip didnt penetrate as deep it still had the highest momentum factor of all the different tip configurations.

OHbowhntr 03-07-2007 11:38 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 
Hey, either way you look at it, if a 5th grader is doing a science project and a bow and arrow is involved, it's likely a good thing for those of us who love bowhunting and archery!!!!!!!!!!!


indianahunter83 03-08-2007 12:20 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 

If everything were identical, then penetration would be identical. However, in this example each arrow had a different weight, different FOC, different dynamic spine and a different entry angle.
I was answering someone's question on if 2 arrows that only differed by mass of the arrow would have different penetration (equal KE's) I believe they would.


Add in, the fact that heavier arrows absorb more eneregy from the bow and retain more energy downrange you can see why it has a higher momentum and KE. The heavier arrow should penetrate more if the test is a well controlled one.
An arrow can have a higher momentum and a lower KE when compared to another arrow. Also I would assume that energy retention is only applicable at longer distances than say 15 yards.

TFOX 03-08-2007 04:18 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 
It can but in this instance and most cases,it shouldn't have less ke.



[Hey, either way you look at it, if a 5th grader is doing a science project and a bow and arrow is involved, it's likely a good thing for those of us who love bowhunting and archery!!!!!!!!!!! ]


EXACTLY OHbowhntr


Swamp Dawg 03-08-2007 06:31 PM

RE: JR's Science Project
 

ORIGINAL: OHbowhntr

Hey, either way you look at it, if a 5th grader is doing a science project and a bow and arrow is involved, it's likely a good thing for those of us who love bowhunting and archery!!!!!!!!!!!

My thoughts exactly. I have three boys to teach this wonderful sport to! I guess I had better learn this stuff a little better before the next one hits 5th grade. :D


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