out of adjustment, still hitting right
 

I have a single pin Cobra sight on my Vectrix and am adjusted all the way to the right. Yet, my arrows still hit 3 inches right. I have no more adjustment and am gonna put a spacer plate between the mount bracket and the riser to allow more "right" movement. Before I do that, I have 2 questions:

1- does this indicate something wrong with the bow or its assembly?

2- where can I get a 1/4 inch spacer plate with (bow standard) sizedpre-drilled holes?

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This would be improper arrow spine or the rest is not set on center shotcould bea combination of both.

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What buckeye said,check your centershot.Sometimes a small adjustment on your rest will make a big difference.

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If you are new to this,it sounds to me like you may need a knowledgable person set up your rest for you. I agree w/ the other 2 suggestions that your centershot is off. If you want to do it yourself, move the rest in small incraments the opposite direction of the impact. In your case to the left.You should then need to move the sight to the left w/ each change.

If you keep moving the sight out and your point of impact is always to the right the bow is shooting the same based on the present settings.

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The arrow I was shooting was a CX maxima 250 cut at 27.5" fletched with 4" feathers tipped with a 100gr field point. My drawlength is 26" @ 60lbs using awrist strap styleindex finger trigger release.There are 3 brass nocks on the string with a 1/4" tube style peep. The arrow AFAIK should fall right in spine range for my set-up.

It was the pro shop (Hoyt dealer) that setmy Ripcordup for me and according to my limited understanding of "center shot" it is on. When I line up the string with the center of the bottom riser, the center of the rest falls perfectly in line with the stringas well. However, with the pin sight adjusted all the way to the right, my pin is still left of the string. In fact, I was at a different pro shop browsing around and asked about this and even they said my center shot looked right. On top of that, when I shoot the bow, the arrow comes out straight and stays straight the whole 20,30,40,50 and even 60 yards.

What should I do next?

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are you getting scuff marks on your vanes - or the drop cord, or the launcher? do your vanes have clearance to get past the cables?

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Rather than eyeball your center shot to justyour rest, nock an arrow, line the string up to the center of yourriser (just like you have done already)and relate that to the end of your arrow. This will show if your rest is out much better than just looking at the rests launcher arm.

Kinda like aiming a handgun and aiming a rifle. The longer distance is more accurate.

Gibblet made some good suggestions to check out as well.

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I had the same problem with my new Fred Bear. Arrow spined correctly, center shot good, paper tuning looks good . . . And I finally added a spacer and moved the sight to the right 1/4". Problem solved.

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nevermind if you read that spine thing...CX has to be goofy lol...your arrow should be fine..gotta be centershot with the rest. id head to a shop and have them help you. thats the best way to get it all fixed and shooting properly. they will re tune it and align the sights...just take your gear in and tell them whats goin on. my shop had me set up and on target within minutes.

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I'd think maybe a different style sight may be in store. But I think that you should walk-back tune it.

But it doesn't drift one way or the other??? If the sight is out of alignment, at 60yds, you'd should be WAY right, not just a little bit if the sight is out of alignment. If the sight truly is that far off, then there are lots of questions I'd have. Post a pic, and let us see it, then you may get some better suggestions. If it is this sight Cobra King Cobra 1, then there have been some problems noted with elevation, but not windage, see link: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/reviews.jsp?productid=417603

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One of the rules of tuning is that if moving something one way doesn't work, try moving it the other way.

With that in mind, spray a little foot powder on your riser and rest to check for fletching contact. Just a little contact will cause your other tuning efforts to givecrazy results.

Also, download the Easton Tuning Guide. It covers all of the basic tuning quite well.

A second rule of tuning is to tune with a straight arrow. Check all of your arrows on a spinner and pick the best one. As Len has pointed out and my own limited testing confirms, even the best arrows will have a few that are not within advertises tolerences for straightness.

Good luck,
Allen

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Just did that... I centered the string between the split limbs and looked where the arrow was in relation... it was dead nuts center.

Like I said, the arrows fly as perfectly straight out of the bow as my 20/20 eyes can tell. There's no dipping or left right movement. I haven't tried the walk back tuning methodbut will give that a try. I have a feeling that it wont uncover anything grossly wrong though. Reason I say this is because at 20 yards, it was about the same off to the right as it was at 60 yards. But, we'll see. Maybe I can get some pictures too.

Thanks for the help so far guys.

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if you're 2" right at 20 yards - you should be 2' right at 60 yards.

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I'm not familiar w/ the Vectrix at all but I would try looking at top cam lean.
My Trykon acted the same way initially and it turned out I needed to get a static , non-floating yoke.
TFOX may know what to look for on the Vectrix.
I believe all the suggestions made have covered almost every possible problem. If,in fact ,you don't have center shot or contact problems I'd look at the top cam lean. It took just a few twists on either side to get it perfect.

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You'll have to explain that one.:)

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how come? if you're shooting right at a 1.5 degree angle when you're trying to shoot straight- the farther you are away from the target the larger the triangle becomes, even though its a 'similar' triangle. the more distance from the target you have - the more time the arrow has to move along its intended path - right of the target - even thought its still shot at a 1.5 degree angle to the right.

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I was thinking the same thing as gibblet, but at 60yds, it would be more like 8-10" right, not a whole 2ftand was going to post, but he beat me to it. That being said, I have a hard time believing theabove bolded part, or at least in relation to the site it wouldn't be straight. Also it is quite diffucult to shoot a single pin out to 60yds with a 260fps bow unless you have a 7ft target. As an arrow would have about a 7'8" arc over that distance. This is why most "archers" are using 3pin, 5pin and even some 7 and 9 pin sites. I personally like a 5 pin +1, and don't really have the accuracy that I'd ever need a 9 pin, but I do have an extra 6th pin added to my site, for that 65yd shot, not that I'd ever take a shot that long on game, but it's good to practice out to distances like that, because it makes your accuracy better after pacticing that long when you shoot closer up.

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i could shoot out to 90 yards w/ a single pin back sliding sight. i had a 3 pin rear slider i could shoot out to 120 yards. the arrow looked like something from the movies - just lobbed.

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A perfect set center shotdoes not always workfor everyone. You still might have to fine tune your rest to fit you. I had to move mine to the right to paper tune it, and then I did the walk back tuning thing too. I have a Rip Cord rest as well. Just try moveing your rest to the left and try it. Can't hurt. Are you shooting with both eyes open or one shut? I have to close my left eye because thats my dominat eye,

And John what are you doing on here...don't you have strings to make...LOL

Kidding..Take Care.

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That could be true only if my center shot was off. And even if it was off, it doesn't neccessarily mean the arrow willhit 2 feet right at 60yds. It all depends on how far the center shotwas off to begin with. Do I have this right?

Gibblet, I checked as carefully as I could for clearance issues and I do not believe I have any.

Anyway, here is a pic of the walk back shots. 15,25,30,35,40,45 yards. I skippedthe 20yd markbecause I didn't wanna chance destroying an arrow. 15 and 20 yard shots sometimes hit the target much the same for me. So as you can see, my original suspicionsmightvery well betrue. Center shot seems fine. So is it safe nowto conclude that my pin sight just doesn't have enough adjustment in it and needed a spacer?

BTW, I added a 3/8 inch spacer plate to my pin sight mount in order to get these shots to land in the center of the bale. The bow now shoots consistently where I aim it and I have plenty of windage adjustment left in either direction.

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that looks very nice my good man, very nice indeed. not sure what to think about not all the arrows going in straight, but it could just be the half frozen hay.

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I have found that centershot on the hoyts will usually line up just outside of center of the stabilizer and usually around 13/16 from the inside of the riser to center of the arrow.

I like to start there and then group tune at the furthest distanceI am comfortable with.Shoota couplegroups and document the size.Move the rest in SLIGHTLY and reshoot and document again.Move out and repeat.You will find a sweet spot at some point and that will be where the rest needs to stay.


If you move up closer and are hitting right or left,there is a good chance you are canting the bow.Check the level or get a level.


You may also want to check for cam lean at full draw is best but I have found the hoyts change very little when draw so if it is off in the static position,it is most likely off when drawn.I WOULD ACTUALLY START HERE.



If all that checks out and you need a spacer,you may haveto get one made at a machine shop out of aluminum.I have made a couple over the years but don't know where they are.


I have a feeling you will be able to move the centershot and be back in business.


How does it check in paper?

RE: out of adjustment, still hitting right
 

My bad and thanks OHbow for the clarification. 2 in./2 ft. I even make a living at reading such things.:DThought you were saying 2 in./2 in. oopsy.

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What? I thought I was open for business? Why should I move the centershot if I've got a straight line of arrows like in the picture?


I've never checked it. Even if I did and it wasn't perfect, I wouldn't have the means to do anythingabout it myself. I welded a bow press together for my old Cybertec but it wont work onthe parallel limbs of the Vectrix. The arrows fly as true as I can see so I think I'll just leave well enough alone. Besides, I'm not too thrilled about the idea of buying a 700 dollar bow and having things be wrong with it. Not only that,my proshop assures me there's nothing wrong with the bow.He said he wouldn't be in business if hisset-up and tune was wrong. I'm not pressing the issue if I see arrows flying perfectly straight then hitting the intended mark.

Regardless, thanks to everyone who provided input.

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Hoyt,
I think maybe he didn't see the pick of the walk-back you posted. If you can do that everytime, I'd not touch anything. I had my bow in pretty good tune until I let a guy try to paper tune it for me. BAD IDEA!! My walkback was pretty good, after he tried to "paper-tune" my bow, I was 2ft low at 20yds!!!!! I have it pretty much back now, still re-adjusting, but I can shoot and hit what I'm aiming at again. I still need to do some tweaking, but it IS better. Weather is easing up, I actually made it out to shoot a couple of times!!!! I think I'm ready for spring now.

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I saw the pic.I am a little concerned about the arrows pointing different directions.It might be the bail causing it.

When you walked back,you did use the same setting on your sight didn't you? 20 yard pin?


I would still group tune,this will tell you how you are shooting and should bring the bow into the correct centershot with you.


I like to check things with paper,I can get my bows tuned correctly with centershot and spine and then check paper and it will usually yield a good tear.If it doesn't,there is a problem,regardless of what many think.Notice I said check with paper,I don't tune to paper.

ohbowhunter,the idiot you ran into trying to paper tune your bow was tuning to paper.Not tuning the bow,arrow,spine and shooter.;)


Ituned a bow 1 time that had to be set 1/2 high to get good tear,it took 3 spine sizes up to get the arrow set level and shoot good paper.For targets,it isn't that big of an issue but for fixed blade heads,it becomes an issue.

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Hoytail Hunter

Listen to TFOX he knows what he is talking about when it comes to Hoyt bows;):D

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Thanks Ausie


For the record,the bow I had to up the spine 3 sizes on was a real old bow that had some major nock travel issues.;)

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Bad thing is, before I let this guy mess with my bow, I was together w/ FP's and BH's out to 48yds. I'm afraid to shoot any BH's right now.

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I am not discounting the possibility that a spacer is needed.

There are just other things that can be checked and if you go ahead and check them,it might be advantages to you.It will also eliminate doubt.


The sight pictured doesn't look like it has much travel,so that may very well be the issue.


If youwere left handed and right eye dominant,I could see this happening also.

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Oh, no doubt whatsoever. In fact, it was TFOX that helped me the most in making and keeping my decision on the Vectrix. Had I not listened to the guy, I'd've been holding a harder to control speed bow namely the Vulcan in my not so experienced hands right now. I aint forgot your efforts brother! Thanks again.

I believe it is just the bale causing it because this particular bale is used by alot of archers. The park only put up one bale and everyone shoots the heck out of it. Not to mention there were probably ice pockets allinside it.

Yep, I only have one pin and I aimed at the same point on the target on all shots.

What do you mean?

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The windage unit doesn't look like it has much travel.Therefore,the possible need for the spacer.

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your spine is probably too heavy or your torqing the bow

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You may also want to check your knock alignment if your shooting a shoot through rest .

nubo