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I've never shot the MQ1, but I have shot the Legacy and was pretty impressed with it.I shoot the Q2 now and I'm looking to see what they are coming out with this year and see what's what and I might just buy two of the Legacys.I know the MQ1 was their top bow just like the Q2,and now the Legacy and their all good just depends if you want or need a new one.Huntcaptain, we might have woke up the MATHEWS HATERS GROUP:)<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>:)

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If you liked your MQ1 you'll love the Legacy' it's basically the &quot;the newer&quot; MQ1 I love mine'dont know how I made it al these years with out it <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Keep the mq1 , while your hear alot of positives on the legacy here if you gave me a choice between a new legacy and a 7 year old mq1 I'd take the mq1 in a heartbeat . The things I like about the mq1 are it accepts a muzzy rest has a good brace height [so does the legacy]and a smooth cam . The things I dislike about the legacy are the cam [no valey cam] and the new [to mathews] cabel system . I'll will say the legacy is the quietest bow ive shoot but I hated that cam/draw curve .

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I agree. I think you'll find that Mathews have sold more MQ1's than any other model during it's history.(but of course they won't tell you that as they want to promote their new stuff) I also dislike the stationary roller guide, and have mentioned before how I feel it adversely affects the limbs by adding prestress.The Legacy is definately quieter due to the added angle of the limbs in it's parallel design, but the MQ1 is more accurate due to it's extra ATA length,(more stability) plus it's faster to boot, regardless of what the advertised IBO speed is. I've shot both and have run both thru a chrono, and can say I would be much more apt to go out and shoot a 3D with the MQ1. This makes a better &quot;all around bow&quot; than the Legacy IMO, so it all boils down to what you are looking for. The Legacy is best-suited for hunting only, and seems to have gained quite a following just as the Q2 did before it. If it weren't for the stationary roller guide and the string supressors that IMO could be an accident waiting to happen, I feel it would make a nice hunting bow. But then again, that configuration would be the Q2, wouldn't it? Hmmmm....... <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

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I've owned an MQ-1 for several years now, and I keep test-shooting all the new Mathews bows each year when they release them. To date, I haven't shot anything that makes me feel they've come out with something $500 better than the MQ-1. In fact, though I'm obviously no pro shooter, I haven't felt their new stuff was any better at all -- whether we were talking about plunking down an extra $500 or not.

Take the extra moolah you'd spend to &quot;upgrade&quot;, and buy yourself a rangefinder, or a cresting machine, or some extra arrows, or some new camo, or ...

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I agree with Pinwheel on that point also it was much slower than advertised . My q2 is much faster .

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I love my Legacy. Go shoot one and you will be glad you did.

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I went from an MQ1 to a Legacy. Love the Legacy. Great shooting bow, as is the MQ1, which I still have.

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I have had a MQ1 since it came out it is a very good bow I have shot thousands of arrows off this bow and never had a problem.It is the most copied bow in the history of compound archery.Its a classic like the model 70 winchester rifle or a 68 camaro.

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ToddinNY-

I'm certainly not perfect and do not have all of the answers to everything, if I did then I'd be able to get the truly big bucks and be on TV! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I simply make my opinions on products based upon my years of experience in the sport and industry, and one can choose to follow my thoughts or not, totally up to them as individuals. No need to get defensive and shoot any digs at me here, you are entitled to believe whatever you want, be loyal to whomever you want, and shoot whatever you want! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> One thing I must touch on however is that I've stated time and again as to WHY I dislike the stationary roller guard on the Legacy/Icon and have backed it up with direct applications and examples, so please lets not say I haven't.. But if you missed it-- All you have to do is weigh it, pull the cables off the roller guide, and weigh it again. (gee, around 9lbs!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>) Then go and do that with a Q2,(Same configuration, but with a cableguard, about 2 lbs!) and see the difference.(around 7lbs of extra prestress at the same weight between the two.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>) Lots more prestress on the Legacy. Will it hurt it? Maybe, maybe not, but I personally feel any excess prestress can hurt a bow or the limbs or both, especially over time and many thousands of shots, and that the stationary roller guard is not a great design because the cables should be allowed to move freely back and forth and in tandem with limb movement straight up/down. By restricting them it only adds increased cable angle, stress, and friction to the overall system as well as the excess prestressing of the limbs. That is why I dislike them. Simply my opinion, nothing more. As far as the Mathews techs &quot;knowing it all&quot;, hey, they are human just like you or me or anyone else, not &quot;godlike&quot;, and can make blunders right along with the rest of us.(and do!)As stated, no-one is perfect. That is why they have two versions of the &quot;straightline&quot; cam. If they were &quot;all that&quot;, they would've done it in one shot, right? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Maybe they'll come out with an updated version of the roller guide this year at the ATA show and I'll be singing praises about them in February, who knows? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Just calling it as I see it.

I personally have no issues with what anyone else wants to believe as that is their individual choice, but please realize that I don't make positive or negative comments about products without what I honestly feel is a darn good reason, and try my hardest to back things up technically whenever possible. I am not trying to &quot;submarine&quot; anyone or any company, just giving my honest opinions on individual products, just as we all do here. You'll notice that I did favor the MQ1 and Q2, and did not make any negative comments towards the overall company itself, just a couple of designs I felt warranted it. I would've done the same with any manufacturer. (And have on many occasions by the way...) Nuff said. Enjoy shooting whatever bow you feel is the greatest and most accurate in your hands. That's the bottom line. Pinwheel 12

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I haven't been around long enough to know history of comments on the Legacy/Icon bows, but I didn't see any actual examples of failures because of the problems you theorize are there in the design, Pinwheel. Maybe that's what he was getting at. You said yourself that one of the problems might not hurt anything. There are enough people who have shots their Legacy and Icon bows thousands of shots that the problem should have shown some failures by now if it actually was a problem, don't you think? Would you care to elaborate more on how the roller guard and string suppressors &quot;could be&quot; an accident waiting to happen? Do you sell bow lines other than Mathews or something?

Edited by - Jason McCurry on 12/07/2002 16:59:56

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I think you would like it but I think the MQ1 is a hell of a bow & only toped by the Q2 series. The legacy is nice but draws a little different - it seems to me to have a shorter valley.

compair them & see & let us know what you think!

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Jason-
Seeing as the Legacy and Icon have only been on the market less than a year, I cannot readily see many people pounding &quot;many thousands of shots&quot; out of those bows as yet. Not enough of them anyway to really check the potential trouble that MAY be there. As stated, you guys believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, it's a free country!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I gave you my thoughts, and no, I don't feel any further need to expand on this and get a true flame-fest going here so this will be my last post on this subject. I prefer the MQ1 and Q2 over the Legacy, and the Q2XL or Conquest2 over the Icon. My opinion, and we'll leave it at that. I have nothing against Mathews bows as stated above. My son shoots an MQ1 currently also for hunting. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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Pinwheel,
Although I don't nesessarily agree with your veiws, I respect and admire the professional way that you responded to your critics. Great job.:)
Trebark

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After re-reading my post, it looks like I came on a bit stronger than I meant to. Here's some more info and the reason I really would like for you to comment again if there are actual failures happening.

The people shooting thousands of shots I'm referring to are folks like a buddy Chad here, who originally got me interested in the Legacy/Icon design. He's a 3D shooter and shoots three or four nights a week, shooting about 200 arrows per night, about 80% of which are with his Icon that he has had since late January. That's a LOT of shots if you add it up. He's replaced the parts that you'd expect, but hasn't had any failures nor have any of his 3D buddies that he shoots with (3 others have Icon bows).

The reason I'm asking if you know of any specific failures is that my wife is buying me a Legacy for Christmas. She was going to surprise me, but finally broke down and told me she was buying me a bow because the sheer volume of info and the number of models out there was more than she could sort through. After a pretty long process of elimination, I decided on the Legacy. I'm planning on shooting it for a long time. If there are real examples of these problems in design causing actual failures, I sure would like to know about it before I spend that much money on one and am stuck with it for years to come.

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Trebark-

Thank-you! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


Jason--

I understand your thoughts totally, and because of that and the technical theories I've mentioned above is why I don't personally recommend the Legacy. I could be wrong, I could be right, we just don't know yet. The fact that the bow and design is in the first year of production and we simply do not know if it will develop any problems or not later on down the road due to my theories stated above is the million dollar question. It is far too early to tell with the theories I have dipicted above, and yes, I have heard of some limb failures with them on occasion. Whether this is just typical &quot;certain percentage&quot; failure rates as all manufacturers get or something more, well again, I don't know as it's far too early to tell, not enough people have &quot;pounded them&quot; yet. The MQ1 has been time-proven and has a more conventional design that is basically bulletproof, and is why I favored it heavily over the Legacy. Again I will state that many people love the Legacy and Icon bows, so it is a matter of whatever floats your boat, but I do believe my statements and theories above to have some technical merit to them, again my opinion. Some of the people above don't like the draw, but I didn't personally find that to be a problem with them. It definately is an individual thing as far as that goes, so the only issues I have are as stated above. If I were to eliminate both of those items from the bow,(Legacy) I would end up with a Q2! So the choice for ME is obvious. I truly hope you enjoy your Legacy, and for your sake and everyone elses' that shoots one you will be able to tell me &quot;I told you so&quot; a few years down the road! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12



Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 12/08/2002 14:06:22

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Jason After reading all the post let me give my opinion. I have been staff shooter for years. I never like short bows. I now feel the Legacy is everything I want in hunting bow. Smooth,quiet, fast, and accurate. I shot the Legacy last year in 3d and held my own in top shooter class with longer bows. The bow shoots and the rollor gaurd system is fine. I have shot so many arrows just like your friend in 3d and have oringinal string. As far as sells, Legacy has accounted for 49% of all Mathews sells. We cant seem to sell enough in my dealers store and have not received one complaint about bow. Legacy owners love there bows. Trust guy that have them and have shot them. You will like the bow, I have shot new hunting bow every year as long as I can remember and those days are over. I am out of hunting bow market. Legacy is everthing this guy wants. You must have wonderfull wife, sounds like a keeper. Good Luck and let us know how this turns out.

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gee, I feel the same way about my Hoyt Havoctec and my muzzy rest as okbwhtr does about his legacy and his trophey taker. to each his own I suppose. My 2 cents worth shoot some before you buy one, see what your getting.

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The roller guard thing may be true...

I have a friend that bought a Legacy and in the beginning the bow was quiet, but after hundreds of shots He says he is not as happy anymore because the limbs are starting to make more noise than usual...

Of course he may have just accidently dropped the bow a few times too, who knows...



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I see most of you like the MQ1 or the Q2.My question is, would I really see any improvement if I were to sell my SQ2,to buy a Q2 ?.
My SQ2 has an 8&quot; BH, not the 8 1/2&quot; stated by the company, so it might not be that much slower.Would it be worth it ??.(BTW, I owned an MQ1 and a Q2XL, loved them BOTH !)

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Mathews stands behind all there products. I have shot thousands of shots from mine from last year shooting competion and winning with short axle bow. Her is picture of my legacy set up for hunting. Trophy taker rest and CBE sight with glow pin.[img]http://archerytalk.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=36878[img]

Edited by - okbwhtr on 12/15/2002 16:51:24

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Droptines, The Q2 will shoot much more accurately and you will harvest bigger bucks with it than you would with your SQ2- as long as you sell your SQ2 to me for cheap :) j/k
otherwise- I doubt you could tell a $500 dollar difference between the two. This is blind advice as I have never enjoyed the privelage of shooting either bow.