What's so hot about the Patriot?
 

Okay before everyone goes NUTS on me!...I've never shot one, but looking at the specs, it looks like the BK2 and Generation3 are spectacular bows too. I like the Extreme Solo myself, but that'z the only one I've seen and shot. What is it that sets the Patriot apart??
If it's personal preference, what does this bow have that the others do not??

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It's more what it hasn't got......vibration and recoil.
It just sits in your hand after the shot and you can't belive it has just fired an arrow at 320 fps.

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Although the 2002 Patriot has been described to be top heavy, if you go with a custom grip or shoot without any grip on the bow, the balance of the bow is much improved. The Infinity cam is a great design that stores lots of energy yet has a reasonably smooth draw. A big feature is the draw length modules and the draw stop that you can adjust for letoff and fine tuning your draw length. The Winner's Choice string and cable that comes on the bow is the best money can buy and dosen't stretch and send your I cam out of proper rotation. My Pat. is the most quiet bow I've seen or shot and all with almost no viberation or shock. Are you sure you just didn't fall off a turnip truck?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Sorry, just kidding.

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Turnip truck? Well I am pretty new at this, so bear with me please. Now isn't the lack of vibration and handshock permeating through to the other bows form Bow Tech and Other companies too? I mean I thought that that's part of the principal behind these tiny ATA bows with the &quot;Parallel Limbs&quot; or &quot;Vertical Force&quot; or whatever you want to call it?

Again let me state, I am only in 2nd season with a bow and haven't shot a lot of bows. I'm the marketing guys &quot;Tabula Rasa&quot; I eat all their crap up and believe (for the most part) that their products do what they say. I may be wrong...that's why I'm HERE! Lookin' for the TRUTH!LOL

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You'll find a lot of truth on this site from good people. The new design in todays bows that are the much parallel is a good one that results in much reduced recoil. This means a more pleasant shooting bow. Generally longer risers and short limbs that are laid back at around 40 some degrees that make the bows look like some at full draw. At the shot the cams or cam and ecentric travel pretty much vertically and away from each other instead of being thrown foward with the arrow. While the Patriot and the Legacy are very smooth and recoil free as single cams are, I believe the new dual cam Patriot will be even better because the cams are identical in weight and should do a better job of canceling each other out. The cam on a single cam bow is much heavier than the idler, therefore you have the lower limb kick that you can feel on some bows. The severe parallel limb design IMO transfers less shock to the limb pocket area and should promote the life of the limbs. The only drawback of the severe parallel design is the price of the bows. I don't believe you will find the design on the lower end models of each mfg. Give then a try!

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The Bowtech Patriot was the first bow with really parrellel limbs. Its vertical force technology greatly reduced vibration and recoil. Last year it was the only one offered. You're right about the other bows! The BKII and other bowtechs are great too. I think your right about the Extreme. Now that it has Vertical Force Technology for 2003 it will be a really hot bow. Especially since its about $100 less!

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I think this bow is &quot;The Bow&quot; by BT. It is like the Q2 & Q@XL are to Mathews. The pat is a great perfromer & has a very loyal following which should say something about it!

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Its a nice bow , very accurate ,it is top heavy but they may have changed that this year as I see they are lighter , its not the quietest bow I've herd in fact I'd say a q2 is quieter I think that is because of the strings used , the thing about them being dead in your hand at the shot is true diferant from any bow I've shoot it just sits there , anyway I traded mine for a darton and am happy the adjustability and draw of the cps cam is nice .

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First 1 with parrellel limbs??????? Oh now here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think he meant the first with parallel limbs offered by Bowtech.

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I'm staying outta this one! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pinwheel 12

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From a consumer standpoint, I could care less who came up with what first. I want to know who's doing it best. Is it Bow Tech??
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VFT is something that started several years ago, in fact I bet somewhere before Mathews started playing with it someone else had it. Mathews has slowly been moving in this direction for years & bowtech started doing it too. The Pat & the Legacy both are the best models for looking at this concept.

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From a consumer standpoint, I could care less who came up with what first. I want to know who's doing it best. Is it Bow Tech??
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You're right who came up with it first doesn't mean a thing and it's true that parallel limb design has been around for quite some time.

I think BowTech has nearly perfected the design and just to set the record straight Bowtech did release the design last Oct. and then came the Legacy in Jan.

Not a big deal though... Personally I would be honored if someone were to copy my designs especially someone with such a big name as Mathews...

I'm not meaning this post to be at all bad towards Mathews but it's just too coincidental that they came out with a design so close to the Patriot and then say they pioneered paralell limb design. That's the part that I don't like and I know it's only used as a marketing tool...Who Cares though...To each their own and I'm certain both companies have sold bunches of their own versions...

I know Kevin worked long and hard doing a whole bunch of R&D to come up with the right limb angles, deflections and such to make the design work as well as it does and also shoot the speeds that it does.
It wasn't something he just threw together in a day and he told me about the work involved.

He also came up with the term VFT which seems to have become pretty generic these days. Last year I read posts where people were bashing/making fun of the name...It's just a name for the technology, no biggie...Lot's of companies name designs and ideas they come up with...


So to Trushot_archer I would suggest if you get the chance go and shoot the Patriot and others too. Then you can base your own opinion and maybe find out what you're missing out on...

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I was'nt stating Mathews came up with ti first but....what came first the Q2XL or Pro 38? Who's coping who ? :) :) That should get something going lol

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In all serious I have a Legacy and if the Patriot is any thing like or better than it I can't wait to get to try it out.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Bowtech Shooter,

Do you know why the Pat DC and BK DC are not offered in 80% LO ?

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My guess would be that they are trying to get as much speed out of them as possible, which would be hindered by 80% let off.

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Hawgs, I don't think it would matter what BowTech would have done people would have said &quot;they look like a Mathews&quot;. I sure hope I don't hear that about any of our Duallys...LOL...

I also heard it at shows in the 2000 model year before they even offered a 25&quot; riser bow?

I also attended 3 shows this past winter and I was next to the Wheeler Archery booth and heard people say the same thing about Marks designs. He doesn't even offer a 25&quot; riser or Long riser/ short limb bow?

And besides like I stated above, when a design is copied it's a compliment to the engineer and to the design itself...

I wasn't trying to start a BowTech-Mathews debate I was just stating some facts as you just did about the Q2XL being out before the Pro 38.


Here's a question for all you archery history buffs. Which bow first had a long riser/short limb design, the PSE Durango or the Mathews ??? model? I used to work at a huge PSE dealer and I honestly can't remember when it came out. Just asking...



Jerry/NJ, I'm not sure why the Duallys aren't offered in a high let off. I know cam/module goemetry sometimes won't allow it. They tried to make the 2001 BK2 modules in 75% let off and had too many problems so they made them 65% instead.

Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 11/24/2002 20:05:47

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I'm staying outta this one! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pinwheel 12

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BTS.

We have all seen the pic of your prototype bow.
I dont think any company is going to copy your design.


Aussie by birth Texan by choice

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I've shot both the Legacy and the BT. In my opinion the Matthews was a little smoother. I bought the Legacy, but it was a tough decision. I also shoot a Q2XL. Both are great bows.

J. Shoot

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BowTech Shooter I have a great question and maybe the R&D man can help. BowTech is going to make 3 different bows using the same dual cams and with the ata being different on each one, will they use the same modules? Say a #2 mod will be a 30 inch draw on the DC Pro 40, a 29 inch on the BK Pro high brace, a 28 inch on the BK Pro low brace and a 27 inch on the DC Pat? I guess I'm asking if the bows will all have the same modules and maybe a 30 inch DC Pat might be a &quot;short&quot; 30 or a 30 inch DC Pro 40 might be a &quot;long&quot; 30 incher<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>?

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J.SHOOT OH my GOD are you my twin?I also shoot a Legacy and a Q2XL What are the odds?

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BowTech Shooter I have a great question and maybe the R&D man can help. BowTech is going to make 3 different bows using the same dual cams and with the ata being different on each one, will they use the same modules? Say a #2 mod will be a 30 inch draw on the DC Pro 40, a 29 inch on the BK Pro high brace, a 28 inch on the BK Pro low brace and a 27 inch on the DC Pat? I guess I'm asking if the bows will all have the same modules and maybe a 30 inch DC Pat might be a &quot;short&quot; 30 or a 30 inch DC Pro 40 might be a &quot;long&quot; 30 incher<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>?
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WWAG, The easiest way for me to tell you about the draw mods is that they will be the same as they are now.
A #1 module will be the longest draw length available for each individual model.
Example: on the DC Patriot a #1 mod will be for 30&quot; draw, on the Short Brace BK2 a #1 will be for 29&quot; draw, On the Tall brace BK2 a #1 will be 30&quot; draw and on the Pro 40 Dual a #1 mod. will be for 31&quot; draw. Bow geometry and configuration make them vary.

Also notice the duallys have 6 draw mods now instead of only 5.

I hope that makes sense to you...

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The Mathews MQ1 came before the PSE Durango.

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Hawgs I've owned a legacy and a patriot shoot both and I'll bet you'll own the patriot I think bowtech steped up in designing this bow while mathews took a step back trying to put a bandaid on their cam design with the legacy's &quot; no valley cam &quot; the Q2 is a smoother bow IMO , that roller garde is no break thru either just a gimmick

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Frank is right, the MQ1 was released prior to the Durango. But, neither one of those models were a true &quot;parallel&quot; design or marketed as such, altho they did have shorter limbs with more angle. If we look at that aspect, the original Conquest released in 1997 had short, stiff limbs with an increased angle and lesser recoil, and was really the first bow to offer this. Mathews didn't start actually advertising the parallel limb design until the release of the Q2 and the Q2XL. Bowtech, of course, offered their parallel design with the release of the Patriot. Both designs offer low shock.

According to Kevin,(Strother, co-owner and designer) the new Patriot twin cam will have less shock and vibration than the original Patriot with solocam! IF this is indeed true, then it would definately be a bow to look at IMO, because if quieter, I feel it could then compete with the Mathews for quiet and low recoil, and even beat it if you add the higher tuning attributes of a twin cam into the mix! This would also be enhanced if they offer the newly-designed grips, which they have promised to update for 2003. I'm very interested in shooting one at the AMO show to see for myself what the deal is.

But then again, Mathews and other manufacturers won't be releasing their new offerings until the AMO show, so who knows what they will bring to the table? We all must remember that we are looking at only a few of the &quot;2003&quot; models, and cannot totally make accurate judgements on anything as far as &quot;who's on top&quot; until we see the full lineups from all manufacturers.

I've heard though the grapevine that there will be a few other &quot;surprises&quot; coming also from various manufacturers,(we hear this every year, but it seems to be greater hype this year) and I think personally I'm going to wait to see what develops in the next couple of months and what is released at the show. The show will tell all, and this could be a year of many exciting new developments from alot of different manufacturers if what I hear is any indication. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

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Come on PW12 spill the beans, on the rumblings you are hearing. Is Mathews gonna break from the singlecam and do a dual or hybrid? Come on dude stir the pot!!
Hope you know I'm just kidding!!!
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Edited by - BAYOUBENGALS on 11/25/2002 08:55:27

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I think the Legacy and Q2XL are good bows. Just like a Patriot and P38, only slower.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Well I heard that Matt is fixing to release something that is gonna turn alot of heads.Not sure what it'll be but if he lives up to his rep it'll probale be something extrme.Just what I'm hearing from some of the REPS.Wish I knew

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they still look like a Mathews to me and I still don't like the way they look!