What's so hot about the Patriot?
11-24-2002, 07:23 AM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
From a consumer standpoint, I could care less who came up with what first. I want to know who's doing it best. Is it Bow Tech??
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11-24-2002, 09:26 AM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
VFT is something that started several years ago, in fact I bet somewhere before Mathews started playing with it someone else had it. Mathews has slowly been moving in this direction for years & bowtech started doing it too. The Pat & the Legacy both are the best models for looking at this concept.
11-24-2002, 10:01 AM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
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From a consumer standpoint, I could care less who came up with what first. I want to know who's doing it best. Is it Bow Tech??
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You're right who came up with it first doesn't mean a thing and it's true that parallel limb design has been around for quite some time.
I think BowTech has nearly perfected the design and just to set the record straight Bowtech did release the design last Oct. and then came the Legacy in Jan.
Not a big deal though... Personally I would be honored if someone were to copy my designs especially someone with such a big name as Mathews...
I'm not meaning this post to be at all bad towards Mathews but it's just too coincidental that they came out with a design so close to the Patriot and then say they pioneered paralell limb design. That's the part that I don't like and I know it's only used as a marketing tool...Who Cares though...To each their own and I'm certain both companies have sold bunches of their own versions...
I know Kevin worked long and hard doing a whole bunch of R&D to come up with the right limb angles, deflections and such to make the design work as well as it does and also shoot the speeds that it does.
It wasn't something he just threw together in a day and he told me about the work involved.
He also came up with the term VFT which seems to have become pretty generic these days. Last year I read posts where people were bashing/making fun of the name...It's just a name for the technology, no biggie...Lot's of companies name designs and ideas they come up with...
So to Trushot_archer I would suggest if you get the chance go and shoot the Patriot and others too. Then you can base your own opinion and maybe find out what you're missing out on...
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You're right who came up with it first doesn't mean a thing and it's true that parallel limb design has been around for quite some time.
I think BowTech has nearly perfected the design and just to set the record straight Bowtech did release the design last Oct. and then came the Legacy in Jan.
Not a big deal though... Personally I would be honored if someone were to copy my designs especially someone with such a big name as Mathews...
I'm not meaning this post to be at all bad towards Mathews but it's just too coincidental that they came out with a design so close to the Patriot and then say they pioneered paralell limb design. That's the part that I don't like and I know it's only used as a marketing tool...Who Cares though...To each their own and I'm certain both companies have sold bunches of their own versions...
I know Kevin worked long and hard doing a whole bunch of R&D to come up with the right limb angles, deflections and such to make the design work as well as it does and also shoot the speeds that it does.
It wasn't something he just threw together in a day and he told me about the work involved.
He also came up with the term VFT which seems to have become pretty generic these days. Last year I read posts where people were bashing/making fun of the name...It's just a name for the technology, no biggie...Lot's of companies name designs and ideas they come up with...
So to Trushot_archer I would suggest if you get the chance go and shoot the Patriot and others too. Then you can base your own opinion and maybe find out what you're missing out on...
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11-24-2002, 02:57 PM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
I was'nt stating Mathews came up with ti first but....what came first the Q2XL or Pro 38? Who's coping who ? 
That should get something going lol
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11-24-2002, 03:07 PM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
In all serious I have a Legacy and if the Patriot is any thing like or better than it I can't wait to get to try it out.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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11-24-2002, 06:55 PM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
My guess would be that they are trying to get as much speed out of them as possible, which would be hindered by 80% let off.
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11-24-2002, 07:03 PM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
Hawgs, I don't think it would matter what BowTech would have done people would have said "they look like a Mathews". I sure hope I don't hear that about any of our Duallys...LOL...
I also heard it at shows in the 2000 model year before they even offered a 25" riser bow?
I also attended 3 shows this past winter and I was next to the Wheeler Archery booth and heard people say the same thing about Marks designs. He doesn't even offer a 25" riser or Long riser/ short limb bow?
And besides like I stated above, when a design is copied it's a compliment to the engineer and to the design itself...
I wasn't trying to start a BowTech-Mathews debate I was just stating some facts as you just did about the Q2XL being out before the Pro 38.
Here's a question for all you archery history buffs. Which bow first had a long riser/short limb design, the PSE Durango or the Mathews ??? model? I used to work at a huge PSE dealer and I honestly can't remember when it came out. Just asking...
Jerry/NJ, I'm not sure why the Duallys aren't offered in a high let off. I know cam/module goemetry sometimes won't allow it. They tried to make the 2001 BK2 modules in 75% let off and had too many problems so they made them 65% instead.
Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 11/24/2002 20:05:47
I also heard it at shows in the 2000 model year before they even offered a 25" riser bow?
I also attended 3 shows this past winter and I was next to the Wheeler Archery booth and heard people say the same thing about Marks designs. He doesn't even offer a 25" riser or Long riser/ short limb bow?
And besides like I stated above, when a design is copied it's a compliment to the engineer and to the design itself...
I wasn't trying to start a BowTech-Mathews debate I was just stating some facts as you just did about the Q2XL being out before the Pro 38.
Here's a question for all you archery history buffs. Which bow first had a long riser/short limb design, the PSE Durango or the Mathews ??? model? I used to work at a huge PSE dealer and I honestly can't remember when it came out. Just asking...
Jerry/NJ, I'm not sure why the Duallys aren't offered in a high let off. I know cam/module goemetry sometimes won't allow it. They tried to make the 2001 BK2 modules in 75% let off and had too many problems so they made them 65% instead.
Edited by - BowTech_Shooter on 11/24/2002 20:05:47
11-24-2002, 08:31 PM
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RE: What's so hot about the Patriot?
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