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Got the new Darton!!
I am a Darton dealer and just recieved the new AS400. It is 34 inches axle to axle, and is rated at 320 fps IBO. It has the new Darton 2 1/2 cam on it. It is a very nice bow, and one worth looking at for you Darton fans.
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pics? whats the price on them?
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Ill put some pics on tomorrow. Price is going to be 625 to 650 for the AS series and 650 to 700 for the Pro series.
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whats the difference in the two
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the pro series are just a bit more performance. I will get all the specs on them anyday, then i will post more info. They are going into production now. I have the dealer demo bow. If the new ones are all as good as it. I will be very pleased. The fastest they are going to have is suppose to be 330+ IBO
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2 1/2 cam? How does that work?
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Good question! It is still only two cams, just a dif setup. I will take some close up pics of the cams and post them in the next couple of days. The as400 that i have no cables touch the limbs. The hook into the cams.
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ORIGINAL: Washington Hunter 2 1/2 cam? How does that work? |
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some pics of the as400
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Yes yes...I am sure alot of people are looking at those cams and thinking...."Gee, those look familiar."
From what I understand, there is still a slight problem with this bow and cam lean. Dartons solution, to be released in January, is to slave the two cams together, so that no matter what they cannot lean and are timed properly. I am no archery expert, but this is what my proshop owner told me. Dartons are excellent bows, but this year me thinks I am going to be shooting a Hoyt. Especially since it should be in tomorrow:D |
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Price is going to be 625 to 650 for the AS series and 650 to 700 for the Pro series. |
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ORIGINAL: PA.JAY Price is going to be 625 to 650 for the AS series and 650 to 700 for the Pro series. |
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Cam lean? never heard that before. I'm a dealer, and been shooting mine for 2 weeks. I don't get "The Darton solution to be released in January" , but you already know what there solution is?? I think you get to typing to fast Campo.The way I look at it if you buythe topend bow from any of the manufactures. You will have a good bow.We could sit here all day and battle back and forth about this bow is this , or this one is better than that one. We could talk about a guy who i shoot league with and how his Hoyt trykon blew up twice. Took two weeks to get it replaced the second time. Does this make Hoyt a bad bow?? In my eyes it doesn't. They all have troubles from time to time. Everyone should shoot what there pocket book allows, and what they like. If everyone did this instead of worrying about what their buddy shoots, or who will go WOW when they wip out that new bow. Oh yea and I hope the cams are exactly like aBowtech. Because Bowtechs are awesome. Anyway just wanted you guys to have some pics to see.
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ORIGINAL: willyd5 Oh yea and I hope the cams are exactly like aBowtech. Because Bowtechs are awesome. Seriously, it's a copycat world. When the bar get's raised, others jump on board and so on and so forth until the next big thing gets introduced. I like that these companies push each other forward. |
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Well said Jimimac!!
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As I understand it, from one of Darton's staff shooters, Darton's fix for the cam lean issue is that the limbs are not rectangular in cross section, but the cable side of the limb is thicker, preventing the limb from twisting to the cable side, which is under more load at full draw. The cams are already slaved together. The cams certainly do look like '06 Bowtechs. Darton hasn't really gone too far out on a limb since the original CPS. This bow looks like it should be a good one. I wish they had gone to an improved limb pocket if they intend (and it looks like they do) to charge close to the same $ as Mathews, Bowtech, and Hoyt. Not saying the bow is not going to be a great shooter, it probably is. I don't think it will be a great SELLER though, given the exact same riser and limb pockets as the Tempest. Having owned a Tundra for 2 years, I know these bows can be quieted down and shoot incredibly well, but it takes more work to quiet them down, and they still have a bit more "bump" at the shot compared to similar bows. New limb pockets would have helped that. Question is, what would make a potential customer come into the shop and buy that bow instead of a BT, Hoyt, or Mathews? Hope the pro series have a few more refinements. The AS 400 would do quite well if priced to compete against the $499 bows that are out there, but even a lot of those have pivoting limb pockets instead of sound chambers. Even a change to pockets like Martins have would be a positive change. I had a Scepter 3 with mag limbs and Nitrous X cams. It did recoil given the light weight and non-parallel limbs, but that thing was incredibly quiet. Same steel limb rockers, much less noise. Not sure why, but someone at Darton should be smart enough to figure it out.
Oh yeah, did anyone see the pics of the new "hybrid" Alpine? Looks like asymmetrical binary cams. They also have a yoke system where the cable hooks up to BOTH sides of the cam (the cam appears to have 4 tracks). This would be their way to eliminate limb twist, I suppose. Interesting that Elite, now Alpine, and I've heard, High Country are going to produce Binary cam system bows, without getting permission from Darton, or paying royalties. Could get interesting.;) |
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Yes the ps or (pro series) is suppose to have pivoting limb pockets.
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ORIGINAL: JOE PA As I understand it, from one of Darton's staff shooters, Darton's fix for the cam lean issue is that the limbs are not rectangular in cross section, but the cable side of the limb is thicker, preventing the limb from twisting to the cable side, which is under more load at full draw. The cams are already slaved together. The cams certainly do look like '06 Bowtechs. Darton hasn't really gone too far out on a limb since the original CPS. This bow looks like it should be a good one. I wish they had gone to an improved limb pocket if they intend (and it looks like they do) to charge close to the same $ as Mathews, Bowtech, and Hoyt. Not saying the bow is not going to be a great shooter, it probably is. I don't think it will be a great SELLER though, given the exact same riser and limb pockets as the Tempest. Having owned a Tundra for 2 years, I know these bows can be quieted down and shoot incredibly well, but it takes more work to quiet them down, and they still have a bit more "bump" at the shot compared to similar bows. New limb pockets would have helped that. Question is, what would make a potential customer come into the shop and buy that bow instead of a BT, Hoyt, or Mathews? Hope the pro series have a few more refinements. The AS 400 would do quite well if priced to compete against the $499 bows that are out there, but even a lot of those have pivoting limb pockets instead of sound chambers. Even a change to pockets like Martins have would be a positive change. I had a Scepter 3 with mag limbs and Nitrous X cams. It did recoil given the light weight and non-parallel limbs, but that thing was incredibly quiet. Same steel limb rockers, much less noise. Not sure why, but someone at Darton should be smart enough to figure it out. Oh yeah, did anyone see the pics of the new "hybrid" Alpine? Looks like asymmetrical binary cams. They also have a yoke system where the cable hooks up to BOTH sides of the cam (the cam appears to have 4 tracks). This would be their way to eliminate limb twist, I suppose. Interesting that Elite, now Alpine, and I've heard, High Country are going to produce Binary cam system bows, without getting permission from Darton, or paying royalties. Could get interesting.;) |
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I really hope they do a great job with the pro series. I have owned more Dartons than any other bow, and they have always been great shooters for me, easier to shoot well than any other brand I've tried. Darton will definitely be on my list when looking for a new bow.
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Just looked at their site. Other than the lack of local dealers I'm impressed. He!! theyeven have an email link. Miles ahead of Hoyt in my book already. Anybody know of a place around N.W. Ohio where I can shoot some of these bows? I need one soon for my daughter who is coming along well as a hunter. Like that murauder.
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nodog the website doesn't even have the new bows yet. The Maurader is a good bow. The as200 is what is taking its place. The rebel would be a great bow for your daughter. My wife shoots one, and it is smooth and forgiving.
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Thanks for the pics willyd5 , Im still shoot'n my mavrick , darton makes a great bow , they were talking about nock travel way ahead of everyone , and I beliveve they own the paten on the binary cams bowtech has on their curent bows , so bowtech is useing dartons cams and not the other way around . Could you post some spec's like axil length brace height and speed . I had heard that darton was haveing some limb failure problems with this bow , from my dealer , he allso said it was shooting 348 fps . A rumor was that one side of the limb tip was thicker than the other to compesate for cam lean that all compounds are suceptable to , and is exaurateted by not haveing a spit cable to even it out with the binary cams .
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Thanks for the info Willy. I might be looking you up in the future.
I think if you look at the web site you'll find the info Jimmy. |
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nodog , darton does not have any info on their new bows on their website as of yet , atleast that I can find , havent seen an ad in the mags yet either . Just my dealer giveing me some secondhand info , but it comes from his factory rep .
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jimmy here is what i was told by my rep. This info was over a quick phone call as we were both getting ready to go hunt, so i just wrote down what i could. Here we go. AS400= 34" axle to axle, 320 ibo,7" Brace H. I currently shoot this bow, and it is a great shooter. The AS100= 27 3/4 axle to axle, 312-315 IBO up to 29" draw, very smooth. AS200 is suppose to be just like the Murader, but a little faster and a little smoother. AS300 31 axle to axle, speed ??, Brace H. ??? The Pro Seriesare suppose to all have pivoting limb pockets?? PS200= 320 ibo, 7 1/4 brace h. PS300= 332 ibo, 6 3/4 BH with a deflexed riser. PS400 and 500 are going to be between 37 and 39 axle to axle and shot between 315 and 320 ibo. and have relexed risers. I am sorry that i don't have more info, and this is all just what I was told, so stuff could change. I do know that the PS bows are suppose to be more hightech than the AS. If they hold up to the hear say they should be awesome.
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ORIGINAL: Campo Yes yes...I am sure alot of people are looking at those cams and thinking...."Gee, those look familiar." From what I understand, there is still a slight problem with this bow and cam lean. Dartons solution, to be released in January, is to slave the two cams together, so that no matter what they cannot lean and are timed properly. I am no archery expert, but this is what my proshop owner told me. Dartons are excellent bows, but this year me thinks I am going to be shooting a Hoyt. Especially since it should be in tomorrow:D |
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