bigcountry25

Hoyt bows are not a two cam they are a single with a where the idler wheel was they have a cam shaped Idler with similar esentrics(sp) to the bottom cam to enable a little smooth draw and better nock travel, the bottom cam controls when the wall is hit and the top just rolls until the bottom stops. I might be wrong on this but this what the cam system looks like to me.

ijimmy

I accualy agree with Stealth Fource nither design is more accurate if you have form like Mr Ulmer or Mr Cousins, these guys have form like a shooting machine and I do not . One other advantage dual cams and dartons excelent cps system have is a more forgiving string stretch situation , when the string stretches on most one cams your nocking point goes all to hell .I think dual cams are more forgiving in that aspect . Some companies like hoyt and darton and pearson [for a short while ] went with a two string one cabel system and that improved that situation . Hoyt and Bowtech are offering more bows with 2 cam systems for some reason .The most important line in my first reply to me was " with broadheads" as I've had an easyer time tuneing 2cams with broadheads over the one cam bows I've shot . All that being said I love my Q2 it draws smooth is quiet and fairly accurte in my hands .

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PABowhntr

Wow, alot of different opinions on this one. Let me add another.

But before I do that let me post my interpretation of some of these technical terms as I have come to know them...

Timing: refers to the cam's rotational position in relation to the bowstring and/or the limb that it is mounted on. Both single and dual cam bows can go out of time as the string/cables stretch.

Synchronization: refers to the dual cam bows only. It makes reference to each cam's position on the bow in relation the other cam. Both cams need to by synchronized to roll over at the exact same time in order for the bow to operate correctly and most efficiently.

Tuning: refers to making adjustments to the bow in relation to the tiller, centershot and nockheight...to name a few.

Dual Cam bows

Pros:

-Most dual cam bows do have level nock travel provided they are both timed and synched correctly.

-Dual cam bows can be minutely tuned much more than single cams.

-Dual cam bows are usually somewhat more forgiving of shooting errors because of the design of the cam itself.

-Dual cam bows are generally faster than single cam bows because engineers can design stiffer draw force curves.

Cons:

- Dual cam bows are generally louder with more recoil and vibration than their perimeter weighted style counterparts

- The shooter does need to worry about synchronizing each cam with the other.


Single cam bow:

Pros:

-They are generally quieter with less noise, vibration and recoil.

-They tend to hold steadier for the average shooter.

-The shooter only has to worry about timing issues and not synchronization issues.

Cons:

-They are somewhat unforgiving of shooting errors especially creeping forward with the bow string prior to the shot.

-Most do not have straight and level nock travel.

- The longer bowstring found on the conventional single cam bow usually makes string creep more of an issue when compared with the shorter string on a dual cam bow.

Now, having said that I will also say that is has been my experience that most folks prefer single cam bows for hunting because they generally require less maintenance, are quieter and allow the shooter to hold steadier during adverse conditions.

Most folks generally prefer dual cam bows for target/3d archery because they can be tuned more than a single cam and can also attain slightly faster arrow speeds.

Again, this is in my own experience. Hope this helps.

PSEsniper

I think I am going to stay with the solo cams because I plan on using my bow mostly for hunting purposes and not 3D shoots thanks again for the info.

BOWFANATIC

From my experiences , the dual cam timing issue is nothing but a sales strategy for solocams. I've owned dual cam bows for well over 20 years and I've NEVER had the cams come out of synch. I actually find myself twisting a string here and there constantly with my solocams to keep the cam in it's optimum position due to string stretch.
I agree , out of the box , neither is more accurate than the other. BUT , I also believe the dual cam bows offer enough advantages for most archers to become more accurate.
It's not just Hoyt. Take a look around the archery industry in the last five years and you'll see the dual cams making a huge comeback. Even our very own Mathews <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Look at the Icon. It looks like their trying to reinvent the double cam. Hoyt's cam 1/2 system , same thing! You can give me all the solcam with a cam shaped idler wheel hoopla you want , but their still just modified double cams

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ijimmy

BOWFANATIC


&quot;BUT , I also believe the dual cam bows offer enough advantages for most archers to become more accurate.&quot;

I'll second that

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Anthony Hunter

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Take a look around the archery industry in the last five years and you'll see the dual cams making a huge comeback. Even our very own Mathews <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Look at the Icon. It looks like their trying to reinvent the double cam. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>


I don't see how the Icon could be considered reinventing the double cam? I even went back to their website to double check, looks like a solo cam to me?

Straightarrow

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String stretch occurs on both single and dual cam bows. Are cams on dual cam bows, always optimized, even when the string has stretched?

DoninVa

Here is something you might want to consider. I posted about taking my sons bow in for cables and a string. It is a Parker junior mag which has 2 cams. The guy was totally bumfuzzled about timing the cams and I ended up letting him off the hook as I told him I would time them after the string and cables are shot in.Most pro shops (I use this term losely as most shops don't have a clue and don't really have anyone who knows how to work on bows)don't have anyone who has seen a 2 cam bow, much less worked on one. There are exceptions to this but in my area of Virginia, you would be hard pressed to find a so called pro in any shop.My point being, most shops will get the solo cam set up better than 2 cams. Don

moonge

As stated both styles have pluses & minuses. I currently like the solo cam designs but I can't say they shoot any better than my old hoyt 2 cam. To be honest I think the whole issue of cam timing & everything that is boasted by the solo cam is a little out there. I have found they are just as touchy as a 2 cam but in a different manner. an example is that the solo cam does still need to be tuned. Even the Mathews Straight Line cam has 2 hole to show the proper position for best performance. I have found also that the extra long strings tend to stretch a lot and mes sup your draw length, etc. 2 cams also have their problems, if 1 buss cable stretches out more you get your timing messed up, they tend to be a little more noisy and they tend to react a bit different in your hand as far as shock is concerned.

Both work good if you take time to take care of them, look at them and shoot them & see which you like better.