QUICK HELP- Bowtech mod & draw stop chart?
 

I',m at the shop right now and he doesn't have the chart- I've tried looking and can't find it.

Could someone please post the chart for 06' techs? thx

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I never have figured out how to post objects on this dang web sight. I just tried posting the chart and it wouldn't take it.

Let me know what model you need info for and I will manually type it out

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I found it on AT in some guys signature.

NOW my shop has the chart[>:]..


Thx for the help....

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No Problem...sorry I couldn't get it on here.

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Ok we've got a Drop zone tied in and can't get 80% let-off, do we need to add the two twist to the top cable and if so, which one is it?
Near the ax;e or away from the axle?

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you need to take two out of the top cable. if you hold the riser and squeeze a cable towards it, the top cable is the one that moves the top cam. (at least i believe that's right).

now dave, what are you up to? getting a new bow?

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I'm trying to decide between ordering a tribute or buying the one he has on hand. The shop owner is new to bowtech and we are fighting this bow together trying to get the let-off right with a drop zone tied in.

I'm real close to ordering though, I like them fresh-out the box;).

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The bow is fighting me at full draw, not sure what he did, but we've got one dot on top & two on the bottom.

any quick suggestions?

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You either want to add twists into the cable with the red arrow, or take twists out of the cable with the blue arrow. Both will increase your letoff. Do not do more than 2 twists at a time and have a draw scale and calculator handy to calculate letoff....don't go over 80%.

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Blue & red? where's the colors at?

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And this is with the top cam correct?

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Correct, that pic is of the top cam.

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The chart we have shows 3.4 on the draw stop peg, but it's not even close to touching the peg at full draw??
I had him lower the drop zone so it isn't a factor anymore.

29" 80% draw stop peg position anyone?

Thx

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Adjust the stop post to stop cam rotation before the cables touch the stops on the modules. This should give you close to 80% let off. If you tie in a drop away cord into the down cable, you're simply adding more "pull weight" to your holding weight. Grab the drop away cable and pull it down to raise the launcher on the rest and you'll see that the cable has to pull this additional weight,, it's simply added to your holding weight. It can be negated by advancing the top cam rotation by adding a twist or two at a time and checking with a scale what your actual let off is. Twist the cable at the outermost cable post,, near the limb fork on the topcam. All my bow's "dots" on the cams are VERY close to being equal distant to the outside surface of the limbs. Make all twisting adjustments while the draw stop post is actually stopping the cables from contacting the stops on the modules;)



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I just told him to set it back to 28" (it felt just fine there before we put the 29" mods and and atarted fooling with it) and remove whatever he did to the bow before we started adjusting it.

He is supposed to be going to the bowtech dealers school soon (couple of weeks) so maybe they'll let him in on what makes the bows WORK.

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Thanks for the help WAAGS I'll let him read that before he goes backwards on this. I'm running low on time myself.

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Dave,

I just got back from lunch…Make sure you are counting the line marks correctly. The first mark counts as 1 and then the very next mark will be 1.5 etc. The reason 28 inch DL feels good is because you are counting the marks incorrectly. Your are actually at 4.4 not 3.4. Move it back to 3.4 and reinstall the 29 inch DL mods.

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Yepsir, we were counting them right. 1,1.5,2,2.5,3 etc.

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man, you just have to put that peg where wwag says, forget the slashmarks. just put it where the limb hits it just before the cable stops.

rick, i can't see the picture, is it just me?

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Gibblet, in the process of trial and erroe the pro shop guy & I were placing the peg to "right before" the cable met the stops, but it was only providing 71% let-off in this fashion. Heck, we couldn't seem to improve the letoff no matter what we did. He even moved it way out of the way and allowed the strings to fully hit the stops- no better.

Before I had to leave we established thatthe cams string lobe's needed more space- 1/16" I think I've read somewhere(some more twisting in one way or another) which would give the 2 dot's back that we lost. He was going to put the 28" mods back on and try and reset everything to before "I" showed up status.

I've got to say this- Bowtech has done this dealer a great disservice by providing plenty of bows to sell with NO technical support to refer to.
I mean somewhere in the shipping of 5+ bows and several mods you could at least slip one draw stop chart in with the mix. no?

This dealer is a great guy and will figure it out I'm sure. He has been selling the snot out of Hoyt's and some Pearsons and has recently picked up both Bowtech, PSE, Diamondand Mathews.

He knows how to tune the hoyts and kept refering to how to tune them, trying to make that work with the binaries. After we fought it for a while he said "your gonna fun with this one". I hope after he goes to the "dealer school" they make tuning this a lot easier than what we were dealing with because as of the time I left I could tell he was wondering why anyone would want such acantankerous bow.

I assured him that the bow felt a lot better before we fooled with it. The near 80% was gone after he swapped mods and twisted whatever he twisted. It also allowed for very little creep after the mod swap .

Are you guys sure these binaries are easy to tune??

Is it going to be easy to swap strings and cable when the time comes?

BTW He had a fresh out of the box 30", 70# Tribute with a BC speed of 325


The 60# tribute I was shooting only went 301 on the BC at 28". After the mod swap it was spitting out some good numbers though
29", 59 & change draw 405= 273, 390=276.

As fast as my Pat, but with no creep allowed and only holding 71% at best.

Back to my mainquestion-

Are you guys sure these bows are easy to tune?


Oh and thanks again to those who attempted to help while I was up there, I appreciate it.

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,,,,,,,, I'm sure;) Remove from box, install stuff you like, adjust where you think, nock arrow and shoot:D Simple.



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Sounds simple enough, but will I get 80% let-off with a drop away if I don't twist anything?


Iforgot to mention that the Drop zone was originally installed for a 28" draw. When we swapped mods and then tried to lower the drop zone out of the way it was still coming up to full height during the draw stroke.
Since the 29" modules feed out more string than the 28" modules, is/was this causing the cables to travel more as well?

When we lowered the drop zone there was a difference in full draw feel, but still no where near 80% let-off.

I'm begining to consider NAP's new 360 for my next rest- these bows don't jump, so holding them true during the shot shouldn't be as hard as it used to be on the older models that had some kick.

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That would be me and now you can find it in my sig here

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There she goes

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my consti doesn't have the holes, and the tooling hole shouldn't be cut in half. that may be '05 info you're posting for it with the old, large cams.

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Start By making sure you have the bows A to A to specs and the brace Height to specs.
If you go with the Tribute 29 " the post setting will be 3.4
If you go with the Tribute 28 " the post setting will be 4.3
When installing a dropaway rest with a cord that attaches to the the down cable or the cable slide you will need to a add to twists to your up cable to restore the bow to 80 % Letoff ... if you dont add the 2 twists the bow will not be at 80 % letoff..... My 2006 Equalizercame in on The Easton Bow Force Mapper at 71 % letoff when we put on the GKF Infinity Dropaway rest and attached it to the cable slide....before adding the 2 twists ...then we put in 2 twists and ...80 % letoff was achieved:DWe also made sure the dropaway rest came up in the last 1/2 of the draw cycle.... and she is shooting great!!

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The info on cam timing came from another source and was verifed by bowtech the 05 cams didnt have the dots on the cam

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eugene1e-Your chart doesn'tspecify 80 or 65%, I assume it's 80?
Thanks for taking the time to post the info though, Lord forbid Bowtech put this info on their website or provide their new dealers with it.

Ladyforge- thanks for the help, your reply is what I'm looking for.
We had the ATA spot on, but the brace was off only because the cams wetren't timed right IMHO. If we could have gotten the cams turned back to pretwist staus I'm sure the brace would have been on.

So you were able to achieve fletching clearance utilizing the cable slide?
That's great to hear and would allow me to really tweak back and forth between different rest with out having to serve and reserve.

And when you say add twist to the up cable (please bear with me[&:]) your adding the twist to the cable on the outer edge of the top cam? (not the cable near the axle).

I've been fooling with solocams since ~1995 and this 2 cam tuning is new to me- I'm eager to learn it, but have to start somewhere.

All this talk of tuning binaries was just killing me, I had to go try & get myself "inside" the loop[8D]

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yes it is 80% and all dealers should have got this but not all did I had to get the info from 3 diffrent dealers and do alot of math for the 1/2 inch mods post setings

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i don't know if i should even get into this thread, but here goes.
with the rest down(at rest)draw bow with arrow on rest, time pull cord to pickup shaft with the head 2 1/2 inches in front of shelf. with that done, check timing with the bow at full draw(arrow on rest).look for the space between the cables and the fixed stops on cams. do not draw through the frist cable contact. adj. cables so both cams come to the cables the same. replace and adj stop peg as needed. (sorry, the stop should removed before timing) if the pull cord is short(rest timed early)it will stop bottom cam and hold it out of time thus killing the let off. i hope this makes sense and helps. good luck. jim

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Dave.

Not being a smart a$$ but the best way to check which cable is which draw the bow and look to see what cable goes in what direction;)

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Jim243src, by all means join in. I'm here to learn. You post does make some sense, but without the bow here to tinker with I'll just have to rely on my memory. Both cams were hitting the stops at about the same time (close as I could tell), but we only got 71% out of it.
Thepull cord was set up for 28" draw, so when the 29" was attempted I guess the cord was thentoo short. If this is true dealers may be (should be?) reluctant to serve in a drop away when they don't know what DL module may be used in the end.

Ausie-guy- Now that I think back the cable anchored near the axle is just an alternative anchor point instead of anchoring them outside the limbs?
If so, the cable on the outside of the cam is the one people are referring to as top or bottom. I know this should be second nature, no questions needed. But after reading so much about binaries I finally get to screwing with one and there sit's two cables on each cam- one towards the axle and one towards the outside. I wasn't expecting that at the time.

I know somewhere in cyberspace Gibblet is reading this thread shaking his head "oh crap, here we go again" [8D]. Sorry Charlie, I just had to.....

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dave, i would never do that.......

eugene, strange because they didn't even have the cams on my bow in '05.

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DaveC,

The guys helping you here online, have way more experience than I do with these bows. I just got into archery a couple months ago. What is listed below in this paragraph is throwing me way off. Rick James post on page one has a great picture with the red and blue arrows; however, I obtained my 80% let-off by doing exactly the opposite of what he has listed. Maybe I’m crazy, but my bow is dead-on accurate and dead-on 80% let-off. I have tested my bows accuracy with the let-off set the way Rick listed and the accuracy wasn’t the best it could be. His way did give me a bigger valley, but my bow also felt sloppy at full draw and accuracy wasn’t there. Now my bow feels very tight, it’s accurate; I have a solid wall and 80% let-off. I couldn’t ask for more. See below for what I did to tune my bow.

Seems nobody has used your terminology yet to help you understand what cable to twist to restore your let-off to 80%. I adjusted my cable twists to best accuracy, which happened to be at 80% let-off. So with using your words, the top cable nearest the axle is the cable to add the twists to (the cable that makes a tighter bend). For example my top cam has 5.5 dots past limb and my lower cam has 4.75 dots past limb. This was achieved by adding twists to my top cable closets to the axle. I have a very accurate scale system and it was right at 14 pounds hold weight for a 70 pound bow. My stop peg is in the 80% position and the secondary stops are just kissing the cables at full draw (with new cam mods installed). You have to twists bow in hand 90 degrees to the left at full draw to see the secondary stop location. If you have a spongy feeling at full draw then the secondary cables are making too much contact with the cables. Adjust stop peg in very small increments until the spongy feeling just barely goes away and then rig timing of drop away rest. After that is done, then you add twists to top cable as required to get 80% let-off. If you fool around with your drop away timing, you then have to reset let-off. That’s why twisting the cables a couple turns, should be complied with last. I wish I would have tested let-off at each step along the way to see if the stop peg or the cable twisting is responsible for the 80% let off.

Rick,

What tool are you using to check your let-off?

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Mildotmaster, I have been following your other thread about binaries and read it with much interest. Your description of the cables is exactly opposite of what I thought they were trying to tell me.I was all prepared to twist the cable on the outside of the top cam when the time comes to do so. I’m somewhat hoping my bow doesn’t show up until AFTER my dealer makes it to the Bowtech dealer’s school. I’m hoping they would show him what to do there.

I’m thinking of just shooting with a fixed rest until after he returns from the school.
Maybe I’ll have it figured out by then. Your dots won’t add up to my dot’s as your shooting an Allegiance, but the principle should be the same. Once I get a better grasp on what to do I planned on mimicking your bare shaft test to tune the bow best to my liking.

We were using his digital scale that showed the peak draw weight and holding weight on two different readouts. I didn’t catch the name on it though.

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Dave if you have the bow in specs from the factory 1st thing I do is mark my cams where the limb crosses them so I know if there is any string strech or other issues. When I put new sting and cables on my bow I measured the cables and the string to make sure they were made to the proper length and then I made sure that I had the same # of twists in each cable if I didnt have the same # of twists in each cable the cams wouldnt line up with my limb marks I made on the cams... then we used the Easton Bow Force Mapper to measure the draw weight and the holding weight to figure the letoff...
Draw Weight Minus Holding Weight Divided By Draw Weight= Letoff
Example:
70# draw. 26# Holding Weight
70 - 26 = 44/70 = 62.8% Letoff
Remember when you add 2 twists to the up cable when installing a dropaway through the cable or on the cable slide that the top cam will move out of alignment with your top cam limb marks you make on your cam
I wish I could of made the Bowtech Univertsity... there is still so much I want to and need to learn about the Bowtechs.
Found my2006 Bowtech Equalizerwas 32 7/8 A to A with a 7 " Brace Height as were all the other 2006 Bowtech Equalizer Model Bows in our shop... so I called Bowtech Tech Support and they informed me that the bow was supposed to be 33" A to A and the print specs that said they were 32 A to A and their website specs were a misprint... Hope this saves someone some headaches with their 06 Equalizer... I know it caused me some worry!!!!

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I havent called Bowtech yet but on my Allegiance, I took it out of the box and measured/marked everything from the factory and along the same lines, their website shows a 34" A2A for an Allegiance but I had 33 5/8"......so the head scratching begins[:'(]....well after changing a few things, I figured there is no way I can get a 7" BH and a 34" A2A! So Crackers told me most bows are showing up with 33 5/8" A2A measurements.
So if it seems weird, double check b4 you make any adjustments.

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{You said} my consti doesn't have the holes, and the tooling hole shouldn't be cut in half. that may be '05 info you're posting for it with the old, large cams.

{Now you say} eugene, strange because they didn't even have the cams on my bow in '05.

The 05 CONSTITUTION Had the same cam type just diffrent style the info I posted is for the 06 line up verified by bowtech take it for what it is its just a place to start