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Well there it is!! Its about time.......I was beginning to think Hoyt was gonna have a whole day all to itself!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

WOW are you guys seriously SOAKING IN THESE NUMBERS?

I mean really....think about where this is going..... upwards of 340fps with a 7.7&quot; brace height!! <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Are you kiddin' me!! Lighter weight, improved grip, still Winner's Choice strings and cables new bushings and slides and the &quot;Feel&quot; at the shot of a single cam Patriot! I'm dyin' over here!
This stuff is a godsend for hunters......More forgiving brace heights, smoother drawing and the highest levels of KE in the industry all wrapped up into one package??
There simply isn't a manufacturer that even comes close to this combination of shootability and performance.....not even close.

You short draw shooters?.....here's the performance you've been jealous of from the long armed crowd! :)

Low poundage shooters?....now you can hang with the big dogs with speed and power to spare, and you don't have to kill yourself doing it.
Not impressed with the speed or don't need to see supersonic numbers light up thru a chrono?, then shoot the biggest baddest arrow you can come up with and bring it down to modest speeds, butter smooth shooting and open up a huge can of Whoop A. I can't even fathom what the DC Patriot will feel like with a 500gr arrow doing about 285-290fps for me!!

Think about it........ every dual cam bow in BowTech's line up will most certainly outperform the competition's offerings at 10# or maybe LESS draw weight! That's a significant gap, and sure makes things attractive for those who don't feel like horsing 70# draw weights.

I personally can't wait to get my hands on a few of these and put them thru the paces......I see a DC Patriot and a Pro40DC on my &quot;gonna be way to long&quot; wish list. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>......Oh if I survive to February without a divorce this is gonna be a miracle.

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Would anyone like to do some testing on a prototype bow?...Hehehe Bwaaahhaahaahhhaha.....Shoot I just spit coffee on myself...

JeffB, How about you my friend?.....

I'll have to go to the wood pile and make you one if you'd like to do a &quot;Long Boring Bow Report&quot; on one...LOL...ROFLMAO.....Gawd I wish I could have seen your face....

Frank, Thank you so very much for trying sir....

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Here is a predictable question, but....Why can't I get a short BH BK2 in a 30&quot; and be shooting 360+

&gt;&gt;&gt;-----SPEED KILLS----&gt;

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Here's a little Star Wars quote for you....

&quot;Laugh it up fuzzball&quot;...

BTW, once you go get that stick from the woodpile, I'll be happy to tell ya where....ehhh nevermind...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Now seriously folks...It was great..I am the first person to laugh at myself or poke fun at myself...Pat was brilliant....he pulled it off really well...

Y'know Matt's comments are dead on...the short draw people and those who don't like or cannot shoot high poundage have really got it made w/ the new Bowtechs, as well as those folks who like to shoot re-bar, or heavy carbons.

Also those who may be a bit overbowed or overdrawn and don't want to admit it, now they can get more comfy and not have to worry about lack of speed, energy, or both. I'm a big guy and shot 80 to 90pounds for years till I hurt my back. then I shot 70's. Now I buy 60 Lb Bowtech's, and although I still suck, I am shooting better and more consistent at the lower draw weights (even though physically I can handle drawing the heavier weight bows with no pain).

Here's something to chew on..my 60 LB BKII produced as much or more KE with a 5 grains per LB arrow than ANY of the 70 LB bows I've owned this past year did at 7 grains or lower (except for my Mighty Mite). That's scary.

JeffB :)

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I couldn't wait. I ordered a Patriot DC today. What a way to bring in the new year!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Now if I can only get a dual cam Rascal.
Pat, the Lady Hawk sounds like a good bow for the wife. Need a field tester?
Jeff, I feel soooo badly for you. Hmph, hmph, hmph!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle> Good one Pat.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;

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Here is a predictable question, but....Why can't I get a short BH BK2 in a 30&quot; and be shooting 360+

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500 FPS, The new dual cam will only go up to 29&quot; on the BK2 Short. It's just the way the module design worked out. In short the 29&quot; short brace BK2 will take a #1 module which is as short as they go.



JeffB, I hope to meet you someday (but you have to promise not to chase me like you threatened)...


Another thing that I want to add to this thread is the fact that all the bows will have the stainless steel stabilizer bushing in the riser and also note the fact that we have done away with two brace options on every bow with the exception of the BK2. The ESD is not in the line anymore either.

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Let's see, my &quot;old&quot; Patriot's IBO, on the high side, is 320 which shoots my 2315's at 259 with the 30 inch mod. at 67 pounds. That figures out to 78.96 foot pounds of energy. If my &quot;new&quot; Patriot DC will do 15 fps more at the same set up and arrow weight, that would be 274 fps and 88.38 foot pounds with a 530 grain arrow. Well I've sat here for about 10 minutes before this sentence and I can't think of anything to say except HOLYCRAPORONI! What the heck are we going to shoot our arrows into! The old Bitzenburger is sure going to get a work out now! What about the Pro 38? Is it going to be discontinued or maybe another suprise?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> shocked and then<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> some more!

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Now, to quote Jeff...I don't want to pee in anyone's cheerios but I need some further clarification of Matt's statement. We have had this discussion in the past of how a person could shoot a 60 lb Bowtech bow and achieve the same speeds as a person who was shooting Brand X at 65 or 70 lbs. But, and admittedly, the trade off has been the amount of time that the person has to hold the bow's peak weight during the draw cycle.

What, if anything, has Bowtech done with this issue? Obviously they increased speeds somehow and I am sure that they won't explain it as it would be giving away a trade secret, but I would like to know if it was done simply by, again, increasing the distance during the draw cycle that a person needs to hold the bow's peak draw weight?

This is gonna be tough. I know I am going to have a Razortec in my hands very shortly and now I am going to have to deal with what I went through last year....considering a Bowtech right after I get the Hoyt. Hopefully I won't have as long to wait this time.....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Let's see, my &quot;old&quot; Patriot's IBO, on the high side, is 320 which shoots my 2315's at 259 with the 30 inch mod. at 67 pounds. That figures out to 78.96 foot pounds of energy. If my &quot;new&quot; Patriot DC will do 15 fps more at the same set up and arrow weight, that would be 274 fps and 88.38 foot pounds with a 530 grain arrow. Well I've sat here for about 10 minutes before this sentence and I can't think of anything to say except HOLYCRAPORONI! What the heck are we going to shoot our arrows into! The old Bitzenburger is sure going to get a work out now! What about the Pro 38? Is it going to be discontinued or maybe another suprise?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> shocked and then<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> some more!
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The Pro 38 is still in the line for 2003 See PABowhntr's post above it has everything in it.

Frank, You got me on that one. I'm certainly not Kevin nor do I have his brain...(heck I don't have much of my own either)..LOL...
I know that he did say the new dual cam is smokin fast and will have 70% effective let off.

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Frank,

I think that’s a very legitimate question.

I don’t know for a fact, but the Cmas are supposed to be smoother. In this case I would tend to think that means they smoothed out the front end, the back end, or both. If the area under the curve is increased (length of max pull), but the back and/or front ends are smoothed out a bit, I don’t think it would be too noticeable, certainly not enough to go “GOOD GAWD this thing is hard to draw”, simply because the transition/s would be easier. In fact I think it would be no more difficult to get used to than max cam draw curves were a few years back, and obviously that didn't become a problem, even though they were harder to draw than the majority of 2 cam bows at the time.

Now if the area under the curve is increased and the back and/or front end is NOT smoothed out a bit more, then I think you will see some backlash. However, I doubt seriously Bowtech (or anyone else) would try such a thing in today’s market (if they are smart).

At the same time though. I don't mind a bit stiffer draw if the bow is producing piles of KE and great speed. Drop your draw weight, expend the same or less effort as the higher poundage bow, and get better speed. I don't think we will EVER have our cake and eat it too (I don't know about you, but I ahve yet to find anything that is perfect you just have to weight the tradeoffs), but I can deal with a cam that is stiff but is also so quick I only have to draw 50 LBs to get the energy of a smoother drawing cam 20 or more pounds higher in draw weight.

This is why I'm VERY interested to see the wheel bow from Bowtech.

JeffB :)