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FASTER ARROWS
I SHOOT A MATHEWS OUTBACK WITH AN 60# POUND PULL AND 28 1/2 INCH DRAW. MY ARROWS ARE BEMAN ICS 400 AT 29". WITH A GRIM REAPER SPLIT FIRE BROADHEAD 100 GR. I WANT TO KNOW IF I SHOULD GET AN OVERDRAW OR REDUCE MY BROADHEAD TO AN 85 GRAIN TO STILL HAVE THE PENITRATION AND HAVE MORE SPEED. I USE QUICK SPIN VANES AND HAVE AN WISKER BUSKIT. BUT IM STAYING WITH THE WISKER BUSIKET.
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You should be shooting at least 5 grains/lb. At 60 lbs. that is 300 grains. Depending on what your shooting these arrows for, your setup will be different. I'll assume a hunting setup. You should be using a 100 grain point, 29" Carbon Express 250 (or Equal). 4" vanes for hunting. This setup will put you just over 300 grains.
If you want to gain a few fps. Remember that the more you put on your bow string, the slower it will be. The only thing you need is a peep. You'll never get a second shot. If you do, good for you. I don't think you'll ever get the fps that Mathews advertises. The are about 20 fps high on every bow they make. I have an Outback as well, sure it's quit, but it's slow as hell too. Good enough for hunting Whitetail, but slow. Even their new Apex at 29" draw is only 280 - 285 fps. For 1300 bones that's false advertising. Good luck! |
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Don't go to a 85 grain tip...it will throw your FOC out of limits and make your arrow too light for hunting. I was told never to go any lighter than 370 grains for a hunting arrow. I'm at 395 grains and several people that are experts in my area say that is still too light. Making arrows lighter for more speed is the wrong direction. Keep the right arrow for the animals sake and change the bow if speed is your priority. If you still can't get the speed you want then you should concider being happy with the speed you have. Clean kill with high KEand good penetration should be your first concern. If you happen to get higher speeds, that's just a plus.
You should at least give a BowTech Bow a try and see how you like it. Their advertised speed is right on the money. Not trying to start a war about what bow is better, just saying at least try it out. I was set on getting a Mathews Ovation until I shot the BowTech. Keep an open mind and give it a try. If you don't like the BowTech at least you will be reassured that the Mathews is the best bow for you. |
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I'm with MilDot... Even if you drop 100 gns in arrow weight and strip down the string accessories, I doubt you could see much more than an extra 20 fps, and you'll have to use a chronograph to see the difference. It's just not enough to really change your trajectory or sight settings. And you'll be giving up some penetration potential to do it.
If you want significantly faster arrows, you'll need more draw weight or a bow that'll give you more speed. If you decide to cut the arrow weight for what little extra speed it'll give you, you'd need to increase the draw weight a bit anyway, just to keep the same penetration capability. |
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I would not worry about the weight of your current arrows. I am a little confused with what kind of broadhead you are using. Is it a Grim Reaper or a NAP Spitfire? Either way, they are both mechanicals and you should not be using them with your light weight setup. You are not making enough kinetic energy for a mechanical head. Switch to a fixed blade and you should have enough speed and KE to have pass throughs.
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I MIGHT LOOK INTO GETING A MONTEC FIXED BLADE OR A MUZZY.
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ORIGINAL: MilDotMaster Don't go to a 85 grain tip...it will throw your FOC out of limits and make your arrow too light for hunting. I was told never to go any lighter than 370 grains for a hunting arrow. I'm at 395 grains and several people that are experts in my area say that is still too light. Making arrows lighter for more speed is the wrong direction. Keep the right arrow for the animals sake and change the bow if speed is your priority. If you still can't get the speed you want then you should concider being happy with the speed you have. Clean kill with high KEand good penetration should be your first concern. If you happen to get higher speeds, that's just a plus. You should at least give a BowTech Bow a try and see how you like it. Their advertised speed is right on the money. Not trying to start a war about what bow is better, just saying at least try it out. I was set on getting a Mathews Ovation until I shot the BowTech. Keep an open mind and give it a try. If you don't like the BowTech at least you will be reassured that the Mathews is the best bow for you. |
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BROX,
I believe I'm shooting an energy cam bow, 31 inch draw length,70 poundbow set at 62 pounds draw weight. According to the chart below my minimum total arrow weight is 392 grains. I'm currently at 395 grain total weight. That's cutting it close in my book. Here is a quote from another web sight: "However, since the IBO Standard applies at most 3D courses, many competitive shooters setup their arrows to weigh exactly 5 grains per pound. This keeps them just within the rules while providing the fastest possible arrow speeds. However, bowhunters usually choose arrow weights between 5 and 9 grains per pound. Later on in this guide we'll use an online arrow weight calculator to build a simulated set of arrows, so you can make sure that your arrows will be the appropriate weight for your bow before you actually order them". Yes you are just within the 5 grians per pound which is good for competition,but for hunting purposes that isn't recommended from what I have been told. I understand you are getting pass throughs, but that's under perfect circumstances in my opinion. If that works great for you, which it sounds like it does, than that's great. However, I choose to go a little heavier and the link below will show you where I got the information from. I'm at 6.4 grains per pound, not heavy by any means. http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhelp/AMO-Minimum-Arrow-Weight-Chart.htm |
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ORIGINAL: MilDotMaster BROX, I believe I'm shooting an energy cam bow, 31 inch draw length,70 poundbow set at 62 pounds draw weight. According to the chart below my minimum total arrow weight is 392 grains. I'm currently at 395 grain total weight. That's cutting it close in my book. Here is a quote from another web sight: "However, since the IBO Standard applies at most 3D courses, many competitive shooters setup their arrows to weigh exactly 5 grains per pound. This keeps them just within the rules while providing the fastest possible arrow speeds. However, bowhunters usually choose arrow weights between 5 and 9 grains per pound. Later on in this guide we'll use an online arrow weight calculator to build a simulated set of arrows, so you can make sure that your arrows will be the appropriate weight for your bow before you actually order them". Yes you are just within the 5 grians per pound which is good for competition,but for hunting purposes that isn't recommended from what I have been told. I understand you are getting pass throughs, but that's under perfect circumstances in my opinion. If that works great for you, which it sounds like it does, than that's great. However, I choose to go a little heavier and the link below will show you where I got the information from. I'm at 6.4 grains per pound, not heavy by any means. http://www.huntersfriend.com/arrowhelp/AMO-Minimum-Arrow-Weight-Chart.htm |
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There are a lot of threads in here that discuss/argue about arrow weight. Some want light weight for speed, others want heavy weight for penetration. It's like a discussion between Ford and Chevy truck drivers. It will never end and the other side will never open their minds. Both light weight and heavy weight have advantages. Both have disadvantages. Shoot whatever feels comfortable to you but also know that going too light is bad for your bow.
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