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Actually, since I quit tournament-ing last year, I haven't picked up my compound except to wax the string and make sure it isn't getting crudded up in storage. In fact, my sonfinally decided I'd never use it again andjust claimed it for his own. I've been shooting longbows and recurves in the 50 pound range. Around 35 ftlbs of energy.Low KE so I use a pretty heavy arrow weight to draw weight ratio to make the most of the energy I do get, and to crank up the momentum.

I did have acompound I shot at 6 grains per pound, some years back. My arrows weighed 660 grains though. True story. XX75 2419's from a Martin Cougar XRG cranked to 110 pounds. Don't have a clue to the speed or KE because there weren't many chronographs floating around back then. I can tell you my 20 through 60 yard pins were all grouped within an inch on the sight bar. The club officers had a vote andbanned that bow from the archery range because I was tearing up targets with it. :)

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Since you were responding to me, I'm guessing that you think I was condemning others for their choices. I'm not sure where you got that? Codemnation? I haven't seen that. Simply arguing for a point of view that differs. One that I happen to believe is correct. When it gets to the point where we can't express our point of view in a "technical" forum, then what's the point? Are we here just to pat each other on the back, or to discuss the technical aspects of bowhunting and to debate the pros and cons of the different choices we have? If you think light arrows are as good in the wind as heavy arrows, then keep arguing the point. I will keep disagreeing with you. But, to come on here and argue against my point and then say I'm condemning you because I disagree, seems a tad hypocritical.

By the way, I don't think it's impossible to get good flight on light arrows, in high wind. I just think it tends to be more difficult than with heavy arrows, and that most really light arrow configurations will tend to have a lower FOC, which gives them a greater tendancy to plane.

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Straightarrow, that part of my respose was not targeted toward you specifically. That was just a general staement in response to a lot of posts that I see where one may say another's equipment is wrong and they don't know what they are doing. I usually just hit the reply button on the last post. It's just easier than going back to the original post.

Now to argue statements, since you said what is the purpose of this forum if you can't..... [:-]
You did say "I'll add that flat trajectory is always nice to have, but can you get your fixed blade broadhead to fly accurately in high winds on those long shots, with a light arrow? Probably not..." which sounds like it can't be done. It can and has, but like you said later, it may require more time to tune. But as I also said, a long shot in high winds should not be taken with any setup. Too many variables.
Also you said "and that most really light arrow configurations will tend to have a lower FOC, which gives them a greater tendancy to plane." which I will sort of disagree with. If most light arrow combos that you are referring to are with tips lighter than 100 grains, yes. A 100 grain tip will give good FOC and a 125 tip will almost make the FOC too high.

I don't mind this type of banter. It's just when people get heated and personal that I draw the line. Too many people on this forum get upset over someone elses opinion.

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Ditto. I'm shooting around 540 grains for hunting, and my bow is noticeably quiter, I get better penetration in targets, animals, and through wind - its ALWAYS windy when your less than an hour from the coast.

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You shouldn't read the words "probably not" as "can't". They don't mean that. They mean that it's not likely.


Pick a distance, any distance. Add wind. Which arrow is more stable in that wind?

Too high an FOC with a measly 125 grain tip? Not likely. Too high an FOC only affects trajectory. It makes for a very stable arrow. Even if it's a youngster shooting 35 lbs and a super light arrow, they'll have to limit shots to very short range, and the extra momentum from the heavier tip will be much desired.

Look, all I'm trying to say, is that decisions geared towards faster flight typically make an arrow less forgiving. The only advantage for speed is distance estimation, and that is not something that should come into play on most hunting shots. First of all, they're typically very close, and second, we have lots of ways of getting the distance exact before the shot, ie.. pre-measure, range finders and practice.

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I've been hanging out witha few traditional shooters that use carbon arrows but achieve the extra weight they need and softening up the super stiff spines of carbonsby really loading up the front of the arrow. Stainless steel or brass inserts, 145 gn glue on tips mounted on screw-in adaptors.

They're loading up 300 grains or more in tip weight, but they get wonderful arrow flight with FOC'sthat most would considerridiculously high.

Odd, but their downrange trajectories seem to be very comparable to other guys', when the other guys are using arrows with more conventional FOC's. [:-]

Measely little 125 gn tipsdon't even come close to making FOC 'too high'! They can't. It's not even remotely possible. Frankly, from what I've seen over the past couple of months with those heavy, front stuffed carbons, I'm not so sureany longer that there evenIS such a thing as 'too high' when it comes to FOC.

There's darn sure such a thing as too light though...

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OK, I concede on the too much FOC.