2 Cam Bows more forgiving ?
 

Have the members of this board noticed that tuneing a 2 cam bow is easyer with broadheads . I have found this myself and think it may have to do with level nock travel , you guys with dartons should notice the same thing , was it easyer for you to get broadheads and feildpoints to impact the same as opposed to other one cams you have set up ?

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RE: 2 Cam Bows more forgiving ?
 

So much of this depends on the entire setup, arrow and spine, rest, clearance, etc. I had a few one-cams (early ones) that were tough to get broadheads shooting with field points. The HCA Carbon Force MX1 that I had did not tune well, but it may have been the arrows I had at the time. This spring, I shot hundreds of arrows, both field point and broadheads with a Mathews MQ1 and a Darton Viper. The MQ1 had a Muzzy Zero Effect rest on it, the Viper just a Plungerest. Both shot well, nothing really wrong with either one, but when I made a slight mistake or form break (I aint no professional shooter!) the MQ1 setup seemed to miss the aiming point by more. Maybe I am just not a good enough shooter to shoot the one cam or something. I do know that when I shot my doe last Saturday, the shot went true, and the sound of the Muzzy broadhead cutting through ribs on its way into the vitals was much louder than the sound of my bow firing, so I don't know what I am giving up by using an old design 2-cam that the Mathews ads say are "DEAD".

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I do agree with you ijimmy but I also think that what JoePA stated also rings of truth.

If everything else is equal then a dual cam bow is usually somewhat easier to tune and is somewhat more forgiving of problems associated with creeping during the shot.

That is all that I am saying on the issue for now as I don't want to get into a single versus dual cam debate...&quot;said the wise man&quot;...<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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You definately have to watch the creep with single cams. I think a lot of the &quot;grouping problems&quot; many of the people have are associated with creeping and then figure it's a tuning issue. With dual cam bows you can tune out the creeping issue. By the way, I shoot both. Definately much better shot with the 2-cam bow.

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Thanks for the replies it reenfources what I suspected and have noticed myself , I do have a tendancy to creep as I probably could shoot a 1/2&quot; shorter bow .

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I have both dual cam and single cam bows. The single is as accurate for me, provided I don't &quot;relax&quot;. The dual is more consistently accurate. I can shoot equally good scores at 3D with the single, but I have to be on. The dual helps me through the little lapses, to a degree. There are definitely more tuning options with dual cams. All things being equal, the dual cam bows are generally faster and smoother drawing. They can also be made nearly as quiet, certainly quiet enough for hunting.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;

RE: 2 Cam Bows more forgiving ?
 

I'll re-post my original answer to this from another thread:


&quot;1) Twin cams are faster than solos if of the same configuration. Therefore, manufacturers have made most conventional solos with a much harsher draw cycle which stores more energy in an effort to compete with the speed of the twins. This harsher draw cycle is much harder on the archers' shoulder and back muscles, especially when they &quot;overbow&quot; themselves with the &quot;false sense of ease&quot; of the 80% let-off at the end of the draw cycle. They also cannot be tuned to as fine a degree as twins simply because they have no opposing cam to &quot;balance-out the system&quot;. Ever get those occasional &quot;flyers&quot; with a conventional solo? Most everyone that shoots a solo has had them at one time or another. You simply cannot tune them out with a solo, they come from creeping slightly forward (most archers will from time to time) which rotates the single cam, and throws your shot. With twins you can &quot;supertune&quot;(what I call the creep-tune method) both cams and eliminate those high or low shots and have the same impact points regardless of creep or overdraw. In other words IMHO you have to work much harder to shoot a solo with the same consistency, especially when being a beginning or average archer, regardless of what you &quot;think&quot; you feel due to the higher let-off. Try it with an open mind and see for yourselves.

2) Most conventional solos have 80% let-off to help &quot;mask&quot; the harsher draw cycle they exhibit as stated above. This IMO is also detrimental to an average shooters' accuracy, because the higher the let-off, the less tension that runs through the entire system, and this lesser tension allows the archer to draw the string out of it's natural path much easier, therefore causing more left/right shots. Pros are not as apt to be bothered by this or by #1, because they know what they can safely and comfortably pull, and have superb form and shooting skills. Yes, Pros are winning with solos, but they are being paid to and are going where the money is, otherwise few would be there IMO. They also do not have any of the &quot;form flaws&quot; that most archers do, and thus CAN win with them. I have shot solos for quite awhile myself, but can honestly say I have never shot the scores that I do with twins. Many Pros like Dave Cousins say the difference between solos and twins and accuracy is that with the solo they can keep them holding a &quot;sloppy 10, tight 9&quot;, but with twins they can keep them in the &quot; tight 10, or X&quot;. With something like 16 World Records under Daves' belt, and the input from other top archers backing twins, I think they know what they're talking about. That same distance can be the difference between a solid double lung and a &quot;no-man's land&quot; shot while hunting, or the difference between a 10 and a 12 in 3D. Another interesting fact is that most of the Pros I know that shoot the solos are running 65% modules or cams in them. Ever pull a true 65% solocam? He-he, better you than me, been there and done that, no wonder I feel old!

3) The hard-wall of the solos is now being matched by built-in &quot;wallbangers&quot; (stops) on alot of the twins. They are rock solid also. Moot point here.

4) Conventional Solos need to be kept in time also, contrary to the &quot;myth&quot; that they are virtually maintenence free. Cam rotation and nocking point height are VERY critical with them, and they can go &quot;out&quot; quickly with their longer string due to increased chance of slippage or stretch. This is not as much of a factor today with the better string materials/better building techiniques available, but a shorter string/cable combination is always better than a longer one regardless to take away any factor at all.(some solos admittedly now have dual-track idlers and an adjustable cam also which helps this. In other words they have two cams!) This means the average Joe will be spending more time at the shop and on the range chasing sight marks than a guy with a twin. I have not touched my Max 2000 in over 8 months since I switched over to Pro-Fusion carbon limbs for it, the cams are still perfectly on my timing marks after thousands of shots, and it hits the X every time. None of my previous solos would touch that for that period of time without some diddling.

In fact, IMO the ONLY 2 things solos now currently have over the twins is 1)- that out of the box, they will initially hold better. This is readily rectified with twins during the tuning/setup process, and becomes a moot point if done correctly with proper stabilization and timing/tuning. Most new twins hold superbly anyway. And 2)-- They are quieter for the most part. Out of the box, this is true and I have no arguement. Interestingly enough, a quick and correct application of cat whiskers and limbsavers for hunting applications (who cares how loud your target bow is if it goes into the X?) will put most every quality bow made today (twin or solo) in the same class also, and is much cheaper IMHO than a doctors' bill for strained or torn muscles due to a harsh draw!

Another person said it best---&quot;If they keep on upgrading the solocam, they'll re-invent the twin cam&quot;. I believe he may be correct!

I don't believe this should turn into a Ford/Chevy debate over solos/twins, but I felt that I should clarify a few issues and offer my thoughts on why I feel twins will be a better choice overall for most archers. As stated, whatever you feel comfortable with and whatever you'd like to shoot is fine with me, there are many guys shooting solos out there that love them. As long as we're all shooting, that is definately what matters most.&quot;

Yes, to answer your basic question, I firmly believe twins to be more forgiving! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

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Thanks Pinwheel I thought it was just me as our local &quot; expert &quot; says its the shooter and not the bow and others have that shup up and hunt attitude , but I belive you have to find what works best for you and is easyest for you to shoot accurately and some not all of that is attributed to equipment and matched spine ect. I own 3 solo cam bows all 65% cams as I found out early I shoot these much better than the higher letoff models . The most difficult bow I owned was a pearson spoiler light with a 83% cam , I changed it to a 65% cam and it was a world of differance . I now own a bk2 and its unbeleivable shoots like a machine . Yesterday after reading replies I shoot some arrow with my q2xl and shot from the wall ,I was shooting 2&quot; high consistantly and by letting it creep into the valley I was dead on so I think I,ve leared a lesson here . When I change bows next time I'll be lookin for 2 cams .

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Edited by - ijimmy on 10/11/2002 08:14:17