Slick Trick Problems
 

Well first, Ive been reading the forums for a while now and its amazing at how much info is on here, I figured it was time to get involved. Heres my problem. Im shooting a buckmaster G2XL with CX Terminators 6075's on a NAP quicktune 800. My draw weight is 70lbs. I shot thunderheads last year and really dont have any major complaints on them. Ive read so much about how great the slick tricks are that i had to try them for myself. Out to 30 yrds they shoot pretty damn well, no complaints other than they werent the sharpest outta the box but we can always fix that. Now on to the problem, I step out past 30 yrds and everything goes to pot.Shooting tight groups out to25yrds. At 30 yrds im shooting probably 5 inch groups, not the greatest in the world but to me its nothing to be completely nervous about, still consistent groups. I step out to 35 and all of a sudden i can barely hit the freakin target. Thought it was me at first so i stepped back up to 30 and im groupin again. Step back and im all outta whack again. I did this probably 4 times shooting 3-4 arrows at each yardage. I can only guess that there has to be some contact there???? but at the same time i would think i would be able notice the problem at 30yrds but i dont. Any suggestions would be great. Time is of the essance which is partially my fault but ive been shooting field points with no problem at alll so i never thought i would have this trouble. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If nothing else im going to switch to blazers and see if the fletchings help out. Thanks in advance

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I'd say you've got a 30 yard limit on deer this year, ehh? It's either that or screw your Thunderheads back on. Frankly, your situation is just plain weird. You paper tuned, right?

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I hate to break it to you, but it sounds like your bow is out of tune. This will not show up with fieldpoints, but will with broadheads, even small ones like ST. I think you should do some paper tuning and group tuning and go from there. Just my $0.02.

JMAC

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I got to agree with jmac on this one . Sounds like your bow is out of tune . Dont mean to offend but your set up sounds like one comonly sold at wal-mart. Not that this is bad but if so the bow is most asuradly out of tune . I busted a string last year while on the second day of a hunting trip which happend to be a Sunday well the town had no bowshop and the only option was wal-mart so I baught a Buckmaster set up from them .I tuned on this bow for several hours before it would group well out to 50 yrds.

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It could be any number of things, but in my experience it's not the Slick tricks. To see what I mean put a few thunderheads on your arrows and shoot them at 35 yards. I suspect your groups will be even worse. It could be bow tune, but more likely it's a form/shooting problem.

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Actually it was setup at a local archery shop. Unfortunatley i dont have 1000$ to lay down on a top of the line bow/setup but i can assure you that it wasnt set up by some rookie. Ive had the bow for about 2 and a half years and never had any problems with it in fact I dropped a 9 pt last year with it. I guess my im just lost as to why i havent had this problem in the past couple years. It just seems to have created itself and i really havent changed anything on my "walmart setup" haha. Quick question, on a 3 blade FB I know you line the blades up with the fletchings. What about these 4 bladed broadheads, Ive never shot 4 blades before so Ive never even thought about it but is there a right way to put them on being that its impossible to line up 4 blades with 3 fletchings?

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Are you dropping the bow to see how there flying.

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I'm thinking that your bow might be out of tune. You say that you have had it for 2-1/2 years. Have you replaced the string on it? My G2's string stretched after 2 years and I had it replaced. It shot better than new. Try a paper tune and see if you are shooting nock high or low.

You do not have to line up your blades with the fletching.

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Well I'm Definetley going to paper tune it this weekend so i guess that will tell the story. Hopefully i can pinpoint the problem and get it taken care of. Thanks for the help so far but any more opinions are welcome.

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What you are describing does sound kinda strange. I have to agree with 5 shot about the idea that it is very unlikely to be the Slick Tricks. In my experience, the Slick Tricks are much more likely to give field point flight and accuracy than most other heads I've tried such as Muzzy. If there is a problem with the tune of your bow, then you will probably notice poor flight with broadheads, and most likely different impact point compared to field points. If your broadhead tipped arrows hit in the same general place as field tips, but group and or fly much worse, then there may be an arrow-related problem. I'd try numbering the arrows, to see if individual arrows are consistently shooting off. Try putting the broadheads on the arrow, then spinning the arrows on the tip of the broadhead to check for any wobble. If these arrows are a few years old, they may have spine issues leading to poor accuracy with broadheads. Why do I mention this? A few years ago, I bought a used bow that had several CE Terminator Select arrows with it. This is actually a better grade of arrow than you mentioned (.003 straightness compared to .006). I got 9 arrows with the bow. 5 of them would shoot well with broadheads, and 4 would not. At ranges beyond 30 yards, they were off enough to be scary. They shot decent with field points, but not with broadheads. Any misalignment or problem with the arrows will give you fits trying to shoot open blade broadheads, even Slick Tricks. The fletching you are using may not be controlling the arrow flight well enough also. Helical fletched Blazers should give you good control, as long as the fletching is not contacting your rest, riser, or cables. Hope this helps.

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Thanks Joe, the arrows are relatively new but I have been shooting them with field points all summer long so the fletchings on some of them could be replaced. I had planned on buying another half dozen before the season so i think Im gonna pick them up before I even attempt to solve this problem. Unfortunately I work from 7AM till dark every night this week so there is no way I can get it done till saturday. Looks like Im gonna have to paper tune, and powder my arrows to check for contact. Hopefully I can find something, might just strip the factory fletchings and throw on some Blazers while I'm at it.

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What sight do youhave on your bow?

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Tru-Glo horizontal 3 pin system.

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That site shouldn't be a problem.

I'm no expert, but the only thing I've ever heard of that opens groups up beyond a specific range, is excess drag. Do you have big vanes on your arrows?

The other thing may be a form problem. Grip torque or collapsing on the shot. When you are close, you subconsciously know that you won't be able to see the arrow fly, but at longer distances you may be peeking?

Good luck,
Allen

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Ive shot factory vanes on the Terminators for the last couple years and havent had this problem so I dont think thats the culprit but you could be right on the form. Being that i was shooting the newbroadheads for the first time, it may be that I was concentrating more on watching my arrows rather than concentrating on my form. Tomorrow ill be shooting with my cousin so he can watch me shoot and see if he notices anything form wise. Thanks for the suggestions Allen. Im gonna get it straightened out tomorrow for sure. We already got a target setup to paper tune if need be. Ill let y'all know what i find out. Thanks again for all the advice guys.