Ok please help with my form (pics included)
 

Ok please be honest and give me all the tips you can, I've only been shooting for less than a year so I need all the advice I can get.I showed the pic up close to show my anchor points. I tried putting my thumb behind my neck but it was to uncomfortable becasue my hands are small, so I placemy thumbright behind that muscle (sternocleidomastoid muscle if I'm not mistaken). So as I said any advice would be helpful. My wing span measures my DL to be a little over 26 inches. My bow only drops to 27 inches which is what it is on in the pic. I know I have a string loop on but I guess I've gotten used to it. Again any helpful comments are welcome. Thanks.

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Hi there, looks to me that your draw length is about a half inch too long. The string should touch the tip of your nose.Your release hand needs to be relaxed using that type of release. The most imortant things in archery are proper draw length, anchor point, and proper follow through. Good luck.

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Yeap I will agree, your draw lenght looks to long.....

On your anchor point here is some advice that was givin to me by a PSE PRO staff shooter...

You should always have three anchor points of reference for a perfect anchor every time..Knuckle of hand firmly in the rear of your jaw bone, index finger slightly touching the corner of your mouth, and your string slightly touching your nose... it works....

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As a general rule....if you can taste your fletching...you may be a bit too long in the draw;)

Unlock the Right elbow and put just a SLIGHT bend. This is actually a "stronger" position and more easily repeated for MOST people. This will keep your right arm from rolling the way it is in the picture.

Bow grip looks a little forced. When your get the bow arm in the proper position....the grip can be more easily attained and will feel more comfortable. Your somehwere in the "Medium wrist grip" gry area now...try to switch to low.

Here's a link that may help....pics and stuff toohttp://www.bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practical_bowhunter/grip/index.htm

Hold your right arm out as if your gripping an invisible bow. Look at the line that would intersect right down the middle of you forearm/wrist area...just to the right of your upward facing thumb and slightly off-center of the web of your hand....think SOLID bone on bone structure here. Try to forget completey about your hand and don't use it at all....try to get it so the bow is balanced on your wrist if you had no hand at all...

On another note...
The cable from your drop looks a little tight too...see how it pulls your cable forward a little bit? To much pressure on there for my liking...it'll wear fast with that much pressure and undoubtedly fail at the most inoppurtune time;)

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You asked for it. Here it comes.

First what is your wingspan? We may be nearly the same.

Your form isn't really all that bad.It appears that your drawlength is too long, butworking within the parameters of your bow I'd make a couple suggestions. Lower your anchor point so that the string touches your nose at full draw. This should put the string near the corner of your mouth. This'll give you a couple of reference points for a consistent anchor. Of course you'll have to raise your peep accordingly. Don't know what the peep height is now but around 5 1/2" to 6" above nocking point is what we're looking for.

Your draw arm looks slightly locked. You can shoot a straight arm, but unlock the elbow. Maybe a little too much heel in the bowhand. Turn the hand out a little more. Hand does seem relaxed---good.

Now one thing you can do easily. Shorten the release till the trigger is at the second joint of the trigger finger at full draw. Right now it looks like it ends up near the fingertip or close. Shorten it up so you can squeeze off your shots.

Once this is done then post some more pics so I can tell more about the drawlength. It does appear long by about an inch. But you ain't gonna buy another bow at this point, are you?

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No, at this point I'm not gonna buy another bow. but thank you all for your comments. By the way my wingspan is 65.5inches

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Like BG said, I don't think you are going to buy another bow before this season so your form doesn't look all that bad for an inch too long of a draw. I would agree with shortening up the release length and also adjusting your rest cord. Other than that, I would say save up for another bow that will adjust to your proper draw length. And one more thing, cover the pit hair next time you take some pics!

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Thanks for the advice, and I do apologize to everyone about the pit hair. I had been shooting out in the heat before taking those pics. Guess the humidity messed up my thinking. Sorry again. Hey, at least I'm not shaven.

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If you glue a tic tac to the fletch you could have a little snack each time you draw back.

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Draw length is definetly about an inch too long. A couple things you can do to fix this. #1 is shorten the release up about a half inch. This will "unstrech" you a bit and should be more comfortable for you.

Another is to twist up your string and cable. I can't see how much they are twisted already but if you can put more twists in it then do so. Your pro shop will be able to tell you if it is safe to do so. Twist the cable almost half as many times as you do the string to equal them out. Example - 20 on the string and 8 on the cable.

By doing these two things you can shorten up a bit and get closer to where you are suppose to be.

Your drop away cord is definetly too tight. It is putting a tremendous amount of strain on the insides of the rest if the cable is being pulled that much by the cord.

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i just disagree with touching the string to your nose. with a long ata bow its fine, but with a short ata bow its impossible without cocking your neck - which is not good for your neck, your form, your repeatability, or anything that has to do with shooting.

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OK, now I can say that your draw is too long. About an inch + whatever the length of the string loop. You can still shorten the release, and a recommend it. Also get the string loop shortened up It only needs to be long enough so the release jaws don't hit your nocks.

It's hard to sit and pick apart somebody's form and say change this and change that. Doing everything at one time really throws a guy off. Change what you can for now, and feel fairly comfortable with. Do things in stages, giving your muscles time to adjust to those changes. Then move onto something else.

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First off my main concern is the lack of clearnce beyond the rest your arrow has..Maybe you could move the rest back a hair,and let some of that excess pressure off of the cable,due to the cord being too tight like bigbulls said.You look like you have a loose grip,as far as your fingers aren't tightly gripping the grip.That's great.Your anchor points seem fine.Your right arm seems to be too stiff,but I understand it's because you are trying to make up for the dl.Your back elbow could come down a little.Have you thought about using a nock instead?That would help.I'm sure that rackmaster will work with a nock too.You have a nice set up there.I hope I helped.

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possibly try practicong in your camo and hunting gear, it will greatly increase your accuracy in the field

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Thanks to all you guys for your input. I was thinking about doing away with the string loop and just using a brassnock but I've heard so many bad things about using only a nock and how it can greatly affect your accuracy that I was nervous about using one. Any opinions? I have heard someone say to use a brass nock on top and a "cushion plunger" on bottom and hook my release under the plunger but I dont know what that is and if it would help. If I need to lose the string loop what are my best options to use for the best accuracy?

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Saved,

You can remove the loop and shoot off the string. You'll probably need a eliminator button between the nock and release, but it does work. That's how we shot for years. String loops have only gotten popular in the last couple years. As for using a brass nockset? That can work, but remember to tie some serving material or dental floss above it to keep it from moving. A better bet is to just tir on a nockset using serving material. It works just as well and doesn't suck as much speed away (4fps per brass one).
You'll most likely have to retune the bow, as this is a major change mechanically. But it doesn't require major tuning change as a norm.
On a personal basis I use a rope release (Cascade model 8) which has the "loop" on the release so I don't even use an elimator button. Never have.

An additional note to your form. With proper drawlength and everything you should, with your short draw, still be able to touch your nose to the string. Giving you can example, I have a bow set for 27" draw. My anchor allows the string to ride slightly off to the side of my chin. The string contacts my lips about 1/4" from center and my nose touches the string. This with a 32" bow. My wingspan is 67.5" so by the book I'm slightly too long but it still works.
Someday when you have everything adjusted just so you should be able to look at your target, never taking your eyes off it, and draw the bow to your anchor, never moving your head even the slightest bit. If you have to move your head at all the bow doesn't fit.