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flags 07-18-2018 12:14 PM

Political Forum MOD?
 
Who is the MOD of the political forum? CalHunter has been MIA since May and there is a member who has been perma-banned more than 100 times who is cluttering to forum with garbage. So if CalHunter is no longer coming to the forum exactly who has over watch of the most volatile forum on the site?

ibobi 07-18-2018 03:27 PM

Please make use of the Report Post button. It will alert the mod team to any post that you believe breaks the forum rules.

flags 07-18-2018 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by IBobi (Post 4338517)
Please make use of the Report Post button. It will alert the mod team to any post that you believe breaks the forum rules.

I did that 3 days ago to notify them that a perma-banned member is back on the forum but he is still posting.

JW 07-18-2018 05:51 PM

Perma ban is forever.
A Temp ban is for a set amount of time and how I see it there are several who have been Temp banned.
JW

elkman30 07-18-2018 06:45 PM

It doesn't sound like you guys are talking about the same thing.

Champlain Islander 07-19-2018 03:50 AM

I hope CalHunter is OK. I miss his consistent moderating. He always kept it from becoming the "wild west". Staying ahead of the spammers and the banned members coming back with aliases is a full time job for a moderator. The job definitely is difficult and a mod often feels like they are trying to plug a leaking dam with mud.

elkman30 07-19-2018 05:33 AM

I've lurked on this site for a long time and recall reading occasional posts where he mentioned permabanning some guy who kept coming back with aliases. Doesn't admin have a way to fix a persistent spammer like that?

Edit--I just checked the forum leaders link and none of the mods or admin are logged on. That may be part of the problem.

JW 07-19-2018 08:46 AM

Your reports are being read. For me I see no problem.
Politics no one ever agrees. Politics everyone is name calling.

And let's get this cleared up.
A Perma-ban or Permanent Ban is for-ever.
A Temp-ban ot Temporary Ban is for a set amount of time.

IF we can find evidence of re-registering after you have been Permanently Removed we will act quickly to remove you.

JW

Gm54-120 07-19-2018 10:15 AM

What is the penalty for someone that is temp banned using an alias during the temp ban to post during that time?

It should be perma ban in my book.

ibobi 07-19-2018 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by flags (Post 4338511)
Who is the MOD of the political forum? CalHunter has been MIA since May and there is a member who has been perma-banned more than 100 times who is cluttering to forum with garbage. So if CalHunter is no longer coming to the forum exactly who has over watch of the most volatile forum on the site?

I've been getting your reported post alerts, and like JW, I do not see a problem with those posts. They do not break forum rules. If that is a member who's been banned before, coming back with an alias, I don't see obvious evidence of it.

ibobi 07-19-2018 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4338582)
What is the penalty for someone that is temp banned using an alias during the temp ban to post during that time?

It should be perma ban in my book.

Yes. Again, I see no evidence.

Gm54-120 07-19-2018 10:22 AM

Yes, as in it is a perma ban for side stepping a temp ban?

My question is unrelated to the political forum.

elkman30 07-19-2018 10:28 AM

Wouldn't the same IP address give it away?

JW 07-19-2018 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4338582)
What is the penalty for someone that is temp banned using an alias during the temp ban to post during that time?

It should be perma ban in my book.

Agreed.
No problem there, If caught.
JW

Gm54-120 07-19-2018 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by elkman30 (Post 4338587)
Wouldn't the same IP address give it away?

Yes but its easy to get around that. It takes very little skill or knowledge to mask your IP through a proxy. I just tested my anonymous browser and it connected just fine.

Coastal Mountaineer 07-19-2018 01:17 PM

Maybe we should ask Putin and his boys to look into this.

Oldtimr 07-19-2018 01:19 PM

Maybe you shouldn't try to be a comedian. I am not sure you are not one of the people Flags and GM are talking about.

Champlain Islander 07-19-2018 03:16 PM

Being a mod is a tough job especially since it is strictly a volunteer position with no compensation. The list of Super Mods is quite long but the reality is only a few have actually done mod work in the last year and even more haven't even logged in. Admin needs to weed out the inactive mods and then get interested members who have some leadership qualities to volunteer to help out. Without a good Mod group the site will continue to plummet in the eyes of the good members who keep it going. If you don't like how it is run do something about it.

elkman30 07-19-2018 05:47 PM

Points well made. But in fairness, the OP mentioned a specific member who had previously been permabanned 100 times now posting again under an alias. The OP didn't say the language of the post was a violation-he said the member signing up and posting under the 101st name or whatever alias was the violation. I can see why flags might get a little miffed. He's pointed out what is a violation of the rules at least 3 times and has been told by admin and a mod that it's not a rules violation. Based on flags post and the responses by Ibobi and JW, it looks like they didn't read through his post or didn't understand it.

On a separate issue, if it's okay for somebody who is permabanned to come back under an alias or new name, then why have rules or permaban anybody. That would make this a free for all in the forums but maybe that's what HuntingNet is going for? I'm not trying to create a stink or problem but I can see why flags is getting a bit exasperated.

elkman30 07-19-2018 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 4338595)
Yes but its easy to get around that. It takes very little skill or knowledge to mask your IP through a proxy. I just tested my anonymous browser and it connected just fine.

I could be wrong but from some of the previous posts about the guy by calhunter, I believe the guy used the same IP address a lot. Maybe not always (there are other ways to determine if its the same person) but enough to get noticed. IIRC, I think flags also pointed out some idiosyncrasies that the guy uses that also make it easy to identify him.

JW 07-19-2018 06:58 PM

Bigbuck just came off a 6 month Temp ban.

​​​​​​It was not a Permanent Ban.

We clear about that now!

I have read and re-read the reported post. Its political opinion no more no less..
I see no HNI rule infractions. SO FAR.

​​​​​I will do nothing further, this is a Technical Help forum.
Use it as such.

JW

elkman30 07-19-2018 08:22 PM

I didn't think flags was talking about Bigbuck but maybe I have it wrong. If so, my apologies.

flags 07-20-2018 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by JW (Post 4338524)
Perma ban is forever.
A Temp ban is for a set amount of time and how I see it there are several who have been Temp banned.
JW

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. It is the same guy over and over that comes up with new user names. CAL was tracking him through is ISP and banned him over 100 times. The guy always starts the same way and after a few low key posts for a week or so he begins to badmouth, and insult other members and then begins the racism. That's why CAL always shut him down.

flags 07-20-2018 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by elkman30 (Post 4338637)
I didn't think flags was talking about Bigbuck but maybe I have it wrong. If so, my apologies.

Nope, not him. It is the guy posting a 6CreedMoor. He has been banned more than 100 times and keeps coming back with a new name. In a few weeks if the MODs don't take action he will begin with serious insults and then the racism will start. that is the way he does business and that is why CAL always shut him down. Mark my words that guy's intent is to disrupt the forum because he has been trying to do it for a couple of years.

ibobi 07-20-2018 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by elkman30 (Post 4338624)
Points well made. But in fairness, the OP mentioned a specific member who had previously been permabanned 100 times now posting again under an alias. The OP didn't say the language of the post was a violation-he said the member signing up and posting under the 101st name or whatever alias was the violation. I can see why flags might get a little miffed. He's pointed out what is a violation of the rules at least 3 times and has been told by admin and a mod that it's not a rules violation. Based on flags post and the responses by Ibobi and JW, it looks like they didn't read through his post or didn't understand it.

On a separate issue, if it's okay for somebody who is permabanned to come back under an alias or new name, then why have rules or permaban anybody. That would make this a free for all in the forums but maybe that's what HuntingNet is going for? I'm not trying to create a stink or problem but I can see why flags is getting a bit exasperated.

Well, you're wrong on pretty much all your points here, sorry to point out.
  • It is not legal to come back under a new name; nobody said it was
  • Yes it is a permabannable offense to do so if your ban was temporary (circumstances can sometimes affect this)
  • Nobody misread flags' posts. He keeps saying the member in question is someone who's been banned before, coming back to post under an alias, yet there is no evidence of this. The posts in question don't violate the rules. What would you do?

ibobi 07-20-2018 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by flags (Post 4338674)
Nope, not him. It is the guy posting a 6CreedMoor. He has been banned more than 100 times and keeps coming back with a new name. In a few weeks if the MODs don't take action he will begin with serious insults and then the racism will start. that is the way he does business and that is why CAL always shut him down. Mark my words that guy's intent is to disrupt the forum because he has been trying to do it for a couple of years.

Let us know when he posts something that violates the rules, and we'll apply the rules. Until then there is no evidence.

Champlain Islander 07-20-2018 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by IBobi (Post 4338688)
Let us know when he posts something that violates the rules, and we'll apply the rules. Until then there is no evidence.

Between CalHunter and I, we banned the member flags is talking about well over 100 times. His violation was coming back under an alias when he had already been permabanned. His intent was to flagrantly violate the rules. We banned him as soon as we figured out who he was using the mod tools to look a bit further into some things regular members can't see or when due to his repeated postings other members like flags gave us a heads up causing us to look a little deeper. CalHunter is the master at uncovering people who are trying to deceive the site. Just saying........

Oldtimr 07-20-2018 01:26 PM

The member Flags is talking about is Creedmore.

elkman30 07-20-2018 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by IBobi (Post 4338687)
Well, you're wrong on pretty much all your points here, sorry to point out.
  • It is not legal to come back under a new name; nobody said it was
  • Yes it is a permabannable offense to do so if your ban was temporary (circumstances can sometimes affect this)
  • Nobody misread flags' posts. He keeps saying the member in question is someone who's been banned before, coming back to post under an alias, yet there is no evidence of this. The posts in question don't violate the rules. What would you do?

Ok. If you say I'm wrong. But out of curiosity, you mentioned a different member named Bigbuck in your original comment and flags has now clarified said he was talking about 6CreedMoor. Since your original comment was based upon looking at the history or whatever of Bigbuck, there shouldn't have been any "evidence." The question now would be is there any evidence with regard to "6Creedmoor" who flags has now identified and now Champlain Islander has confirmed that he was previously permabanned over "100 times." I know Champlain islander used to be a moderator so would assume he is in a position to know about these previous permabans. You posted that flags should let you know when this 6creedmoor has posted something that violates the rules. According to your above quote directed at me, if 6CreedMoor has previously been permabanned under another name, that would constitute a rules violation and subsequent permaban. Or do you see this differently?

ibobi 07-20-2018 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by elkman30 (Post 4338701)
Ok. If you say I'm wrong. But out of curiosity, you mentioned a different member named Bigbuck in your original comment and flags has now clarified said he was talking about 6CreedMoor. Since your original comment was based upon looking at the history or whatever of Bigbuck, there shouldn't have been any "evidence." The question now would be is there any evidence with regard to "6Creedmoor" who flags has now identified and now Champlain Islander has confirmed that he was previously permabanned over "100 times." I know Champlain islander used to be a moderator so would assume he is in a position to know about these previous permabans. You posted that flags should let you know when this 6creedmoor has posted something that violates the rules. According to your above quote directed at me, if 6CreedMoor has previously been permabanned under another name, that would constitute a rules violation and subsequent permaban. Or do you see this differently?

I never mentioned bigbuck. Show me evidence that 6creedmor is an alias? IP address is unique to HN. What other info is being used to determine that this is a sockpuppet account? I'd be curious, because other than name, email address, and IP address, HN doesn't track any data.

Champlain Islander 07-20-2018 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by elkman30 (Post 4338701)
Ok. If you say I'm wrong. But out of curiosity, you mentioned a different member named Bigbuck in your original comment and flags has now clarified said he was talking about 6CreedMoor. Since your original comment was based upon looking at the history or whatever of Bigbuck, there shouldn't have been any "evidence." The question now would be is there any evidence with regard to "6Creedmoor" who flags has now identified and now Champlain Islander has confirmed that he was previously permabanned over "100 times." I know Champlain islander used to be a moderator so would assume he is in a position to know about these previous permabans. You posted that flags should let you know when this 6creedmoor has posted something that violates the rules. According to your above quote directed at me, if 6CreedMoor has previously been permabanned under another name, that would constitute a rules violation and subsequent permaban. Or do you see this differently?

I haven't really been active on the site so I can't say for sure that Creedmore is the same as the 100+ ban boy. In all honesty I haven't read any of his posts but normally when flags gave us the heads up it turned out he was right and we permabanned that member again and again. I no longer have the ability to look into the inner profiles but any of the mods can and I hope they do so. If creedmore is the same guy he needs to go. I'll add this Ibobi you obviously don't know much about how your mods operate and the methods they use to try to keep YOUR site clean and free running.

elkman30 07-20-2018 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by IBobi (Post 4338703)
I never mentioned bigbuck. Show me evidence that 6creedmor is an alias? IP address is unique to HN. What other info is being used to determine that this is a sockpuppet account? I'd be curious, because other than name, email address, and IP address, HN doesn't track any data.

You're right. It was JW who mentioned Bigbuck. My bad but it was mentioned when both of you were poo-pooing flags suggestion and my questions among others. I could be wrong but I don't think members have the ability on this website to determine another member's IP address. That power is (or should be) with a moderator like JW or an admin like you. I'm not sure how flags makes such a determination but perhaps you should ask him. He must have some way of doing it since he's reported it so often.

JW 07-21-2018 02:20 PM

Problem was I was guessing based on comments as we where provided no names, no data but are given a link to follow.
Adding exact usernames would help.

So I saw BigBuck had vome off a Temp ban.

My aplologies to him.

JW


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