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I have a black lab male and I was wondering how much do most people charge to breed him with a female?
thanks

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Stud fees are determined by the quality of the dog. Unfortunately, most dogs that are breed shouldn't be. A dog with an impeccable pedigree and/or one that is proven in the field or ring will fetch more money than your average house dog. I've paid as much as $600.

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What is your dogs background like, Pedigree. Has he been Cerfd and had a OFA rating. Is he a HT/FT or Hunting dog. these all make the difference.

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In answer to your question: Stud fees can vary from Free to $4000 (yes, four THOUSAND) or more. But first, you have to ask yourself some questions. What does this breeding offer as to improving the breed? If a dog doesn't have any titles (Field Trial or Hunt Test) and there are few or no titles (such as FC, NFC, AFC, CNFC, MH etc etc) in the first 3 to 5 generations in the pedigree, the dog would have little or no value as a stud (the same holds true for the female). Just because a dog DOESN'T have titles itself, does not necessarily mean that the dog isn't a good dog -- it just means that with titles, you have the proof, and proof = $.

In general, stud fee will be equal to the selling price of one pup from the litter. So in a litter where the pups would sell for $100, that would be the stud fee. If the pups would sell for $3000, that would be the stud fee. If your Lab points, you can add another $150 to $300 on top of that.

As BLKLAB said, there are other things that come into the picture as far as genetic health. Both dogs in a breeding need to have had their hips (and preferably elbows too) OFA'd (PENN hip is also acceptable) CERF(done within one year each time the dog is bred) on their eyes. The female needs to have been tested for Brucellosis within 30 days of the breeding.

OFA certification only needs to be done once in a dog's life (after they turn 24 months old), but CERF is only good for one year. Getting these certifications isn't cheap, so if you have a dog that is worth a $200 stud fee, you are going to lose money right off the bat. OFA X-Rays for hips and elbows will be between $200 and $300. OFA registration will be about $50 for both. A CERF exam plus CERF registration will be $50 to $70 and a Brucellosis test on the female is only a few bucks.

An example: My dog has a great pedigree (11 big time titles in the first 3 generations), and he himself has his MHR, WR and SR titles. He passed the PacNW Regional Invitational Field Test at just under 2-1/2 years of age.
He is OFA good on his hips, OFA normal on his elbows and he has recently CERFd clear. He is also a natural pointer, but even at that, he is only worth $500 to $700 for stud fee (depending on the qualifications of the female). Unless a highly qualified female would come along, I wouldn't even consider breeding him.

To be done properly, there's a lot more to breeding than just putting a couple dogs together.

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The mother of my lab is hip certified, but the father is not because he is not old enough. The parents dont have any certificates or awards. I have the akc papers from the parents and their parents and then there parents so its three generations. I am going to get him registered here pretty soon.

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1a. Ethical breeders won't breed a dog that's under 2 years of age. There are MANY reasons for this, but one of the main ones is that a dog's hips can't be OFAd before age two.
1b. What is the rating on the mother's hips?

2. This means that regardless of how good (or poor) they are, there is no proof of abilities.

3. Are there any letters (FC, NFC, AFC, MH (or others) before (or after) the names on the 3 generation pedigree?

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My female lab if we bred her with a male with the same quality genetics, we would pay around $1200 for the stud fee. Of course each pup would sell for around $1200 in and of itself.

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Tell us about her and why her pups (with an equivalent stud) would sell for $1200.

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I'll need to find all her papers and such, but both her parents (and all her grandparents I guess you would call them that) have taken first either in national competitions or major region championships. Her parents are both hip and elbow OFAd. Both parents and her are natural registered pointing labs. Her parents and her have their CERF on their eyes. My lab herself cost us $1200, so getting an equal stud would keep the pups at that level, wouldn't it?

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1. Without knowing the letters (like FC, NFC, AFC, NAFC, MH, MHR, etc etc etc), there is no way of knowing.

2. What are the ratings? (A dog can be rated as badly as OFA Dysplastic, but it's still a rating).

3 No they aren't. Labs that point aren't "registered" as Pointing Labs. They can have Pointing Lab titles (CP, IPR, MPR or GMPR), but there is no registry that registers them as such.

4. What are the CERF ratings? Just like hips, they can be CERFd as having retinal folds or retinal dysplasia or genetic cataracts etc).

5. Not necessarily. There are dozens of $3000 dogs that are washed out of Field Trial training every year, that end up getting given away or sold for a small % of their initial cost.

What does your dog have as "proof" (titles etc) that she is actually a dog that would (upon being bred) have puppies that would be likely to enhance the breed? A dog can be dandy good without titles, but without titles, you have no proof that she actually is.

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I still can't find her file with all her ratings, but I am working on that. The only competition that I have entered her in was the Northern Utah Upland Bird Dog that was held last October, and she placed first with no formal training, she was also only 9 months old. Still working on finding her papers....

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All right, her OFA was given an Excellent on her hips, elbow, heart/thyroid. And her CERF was a normal.

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Your dog or your dog's parents?
What is your dog's registered name?

BTW, I'm not trying to "poop on ya" here. Just helping you see what it takes for a dog to have puppies that are worth $1200.

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No problem I caught that real quick. BTW we were told the stud fee and pup value from a pro trainer that my dad works with.

The stuff I posted was Her's. She is Aspen's Diana Goddess of the Hunt. I can't find her pedigree file![:@] I am still working on that but my inkling is her father took first the Colorado Open Pheasant Championship, and in the Kansas one, and in the Rocky Mountain Open, and in the U.S. Open Pheasant Championship. Her mother placed second in the U.S. Open the year her father placed first and the next year they switched places. She also has placed first in the Colorado and Kansas championships.

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AKC is one of the worst kennel clubs in America they push show dogs(Irish setters, German Sheperd Dogs, and Labs) instead of the hunting or working talents the dog was bred for. There are too many run of the mill dogs being bred. I personally feel that a dog should not be entitled to be registered if it can't pass a work/hunt test to certify that the dog is capable of doing the job it's breed was orignated for. Think long and hard before you breed your dog.

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I just looked through the OFA database, and she's not listed as having any "health clearance certifications". If I were you, I'd get ahold of OFA and find out what's going on and why she's not in their database.

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Young Buck,

Have you heard of the hunt test? AKC sponsored. Agility test? AKC sponsored. Obedience trials? AKC sponsored. Breed sponsored field trials? AKC sponsored. Bench Shows? AKC sponsored.

AKC sponsors a wide range of tests and trials for all aspects of the purebred dog. All are equally important and are advailable to you as a breeder to compete in whatever part you want. If you feel that certain breeds are not being bred like they should blame the breeders. That is where the problems lie and not with the AKC.

Ezzy

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Thanks for the heads up! I will have to see what is going on there!

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The OFA site is at www.offa.org Then you can do a search by either the dog's registered name, AKC registration number etc. If you search "Black Forest Casey", you will see where he is OFAd Good on hips and Normal on elbows. Because he just had his most recent CERF two days ago, the CERF results aren't up yet, it usually takes 3-4 weeks to get new information up on the site.

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Thanks for the link. I haven't had time to follow up on that much but I am making room!

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Doc E has been very helpful to me in various situations.

I am wanting to breed my Labrador bitch (with an awesome pedigree), however I have to pass this cycle as I have not been able to afford the propper tests to ensure excellent breeding.

I contacted the owner of the sire I want to breed to (Watermark's the "Hoss") tonight and explained the situation. I do not think that he was too upset, knowing the dog should be very sound before breeding. I asked for a breeding during the next heat cycle and he was OK with that.

Keep the breed strong!

OhioDuckHunter

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That is simply not true
While AKC has its issues it is where the big boys compete.


Doesnt same much for the quality of the event. Concentrate of Earning (AKC) AFC or FC.

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If you don't think so LOOK at the working breeds that have been ruined for show purposes!!!!!! The Irish Setter is a classic example of AKC at work. AKC is more for looks than ablilty. I would rather have a ugly dog that will hunt than a show champion that is so lazy and stupid that all it can do is look cute. AKC registers way too many JUNK dogs every year of every breed. We need to be like the Germans in there aspect of dogs they will not register a working breed until it has proven itself that is why your German,Chek, and Dutch K-9's are superior to ours. As for the BIG BOYS they have no other choice. Almost everything out there is AKC registered.