Hound breeds are endangered in America!
 

Try finding US breeders with a PHYSICAL ADDRESS and TELEPHONE NUMBER (that are CURRENTLY breeding these dogs and selling them and NOT by shipping pups across the country or around the world via an online sale only) for any of the following:

American Foxhounds
English Foxhounds
Walker Treeing Coonhounds

Who the devil breeds them whereby a customer can come in person to see a pup or a litter and dam?

Are they so exclusive they are not most likely marketed to general public?

In America?
In the world?
In this galaxy?

This is not a gripe but an observation since I personally don't want to own a hound anyway.

I believe in buying a crock pot or a car part over the Web, but not a live animal!

Two questions for ya:
(1) Do you ever make a positive post on anything, as since you registered on this site recently about all I've really read is griping!
(2) Do you now how to use the search feature on a computer? You must not since I just took five minutes on those three breeds of dogs you listed and there is enough information and places raising and selling them that you could take a week reading everything!

Ditto. It's one thing if you just can't find something or don't understand it but another if you don't even do basic due diligence like running a simple search.

I used Google and Yahoo! I just wanted to, out of curiosity, see how hard it was to find these particular breeds.

I could NOT find one breeder with a PHYSICAL address listed or even a telephone number.

I did find one or two sites for fox hounds that said they were no longer breeding them.

Most of such breeds listed were from dog rescues. There was one website that was supposedly selling these pups by shipping and had no telephone number or physical address.

I don't buy a pup unless:

1. I can see the pup and seller in person
2. the animal is purebred and can be AKC papered
3. the dam is present and at least a picture of the sire is available

I would not buy any such hounds from a backyard breeder.

I am under the impression that these hounds are sold in some underground secret market since they have been getting a lot of negative liberal press lately. It is the same kind of negative media the PIT BULL used to get.

The traditional hunting hound is now the new "pit bull" of the media it seems.

The point is the hounds are not as readily available as German Shepherds or Labrador Retrievers.


PS - I am making an observation and not complaining. I don't want a hound anyway. I have a bad experience with a beagle that bayed incessantly, had the neighbors complaining, was destructive and could not stay restrained in a wire fenced yard. This rabbit dog had his nose glued to the ground and had selective hearing when commanded.

If I were to ever do any hunting with hound work, I will some other guy provide the hounds on the hunt. I will stick with bird dog types as a dog owner.

You do realize that you're posting statements that appear to be contradictory, right?

Finding hounds aint a problem.

In California using them is.

But you posted finding them was a problem.:confused0024:

I am aware of that. That is why they are probably so hard to find in California especially. Supply and demand.

Lighten up, people!

I see JMB still hasn't got the numerous hints people have given him to shut his yapper unless he can come up with something constructive to post! Hey JMB, we'll lighten up when you quit posting BS, LOL!!!

Constructive?

That is all a matter of opinion.

Hounds are pretty damn important to some hunters of some types of game. For mountain lions and bear, it is a necessity.

I don't know why you people feel it trivial to post about here.

The real BS is some of the stupid regs made by some stupid idiots at the capitol building in CA.

I am a hunter's friend. I am not your enemy. I hate PETA just as much as you do.

It is NOT my fault that hunting in America and especially California has gone down the tubes because of stupid politicians
who only hear the emotional cries of the Bambi-huggers, PETA and the Humane Society and not the hard scientific data from biologists and wildlife
conservation experts.

Once again, to me hunting is never hunting without a pooch present. It is never the same to me.

As someone that actually DOES raise and sell AKC registered Treeing Walker Coonhounds, and knowing several others that also do, I will say, fervently, that you are a fool.

There's no shortage that I have seen. Maybe in Cali-head up their hind end-istan, where I can't foresee there's too many good ol' boys looking for solid coonhounds anyway, but in most of the US where hounds fight fur, there are dogs to be had.

There's a difference in buying a pony at the sale barn for your kids to ride and buying a thoroughbred ready to start breezing to get on the track. The level you play at is piddly compared to where hound-breeders need to play if they want to be successful. Hounds in certain parts of the country might fetch 3-5x more than they might in other areas, for the simple fact that they aren't as common there (or the sport for which they are BRED is not as common there), which entices a Midwest breeder like myself to sell hounds over the internet where I can accomplish 3 things: 1) Grow my kennel name, 2) fetch higher prices than the local market would support, and 3) drive DOWN prices in other areas for the same caliber of hound - forcing those local boys asking too much for their dogs to start playing reasonably. Much of what drives prices up in those areas, from what I have seen in the last 15yrs at least, is NOT driven by scarcity, but rather by stagnation of the gene pool. Old country hound lines getting crossed back over themselves a few too many times, meaning those dogs have a lot of championships on both sides, but also don't have much diversity, so the local dogs cost a lot, and NEW BLOODLINES are worth a premium. Lose lose for the local houndsman, unless they can find well bred dogs elsewhere.

And for what it's worth, most reputable breeders will have potential buyers come out and see the dogs, even go on a few hunts if possible either with the dogs for sale, or with the sire or dam in the case of pups, or with siblings in the cross, etc. We've had fellas from all over the country fly and drive to see our pups. It's not like they ordered a microwave off of Amazon.

I'll also offer the advice that you're getting a lot of retaliation against your misguided or misrepresented posts because you're speaking about things that you don't know, as if you're an expert in these areas. If you were a veteran houndsman looking for dogs and for some reason REALLY couldn't find them, then your post would be warranted. But you're not.

Walker coonhounds were not even registered with akc until recently. most are registered in ukc. there are alot of breeds not registered in akc. my dog is akc but that doesnt mean she is gonna be any better because she is akc. she is a gsp.

lasix makes ya pee

Hard to follow that comment..........................

So let me just say, that I just got a Redbone and I live in California.

She has good pedigree; now we shall see if she hunts.

Then quit electing IDIOTs to represent you. CA is a failed social experiment that the rest the nation is going to get stuck with the tab for fixing the fiasco. They should build a fence around it and shoot anyone that tries to leave before the problems in the Land of Fruits, Flakes and Nuts are fixed.

As to the somewhat idiotic claim that hounds are "endangered" all I can say is that I'm in AL and there is no shortage of them down here. Matter of fact, the things are everywhere. I find it a little funny that someone in CA actually thinks that what he sees in CA is indicative of how the rest the nation is. Here's a little NEWSFLASH: The rest the nation doesn't want to be as screwed up as CA is!

someone like you asking all these questions throws a red flag to me. im a breeder of treeing walker coon hounds and english coon hounds but my peta/hsus radar just went off with you.
you want physical addresses,you want to look at the pups before buying, most hound breeds are NOT AKC pappered while some are most are UKC or PKC and most folks that know hounds know this.
just from your post,and this is only my opinion, you really sound like you would like to visit someones kennels, maybe take some video, hoping to see bad conditions. JUST SEEMS A LITTLE WEIRD TO ME but, you may be on the up and up and in which case there are plenty of breeders out there

This OP previously received a lot flack for his postings and lack of knowledge. He hasn't been here since 4/21 of this year, and likely won't be back. No one to get irritated about.

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