Gun shy dog
 

Hi guys,

I come here from the muzzleloading forum looking for help.

I have a 1.5 year old dog, half lab and half boxer, totally afraid of loud noises, gun shots, thunder, fire works, etc. She runs under the bed and hides, litterally shakes she is so scared. Just wondering what is the best way to cure her of this. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!
Thanx Dale

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unfortunatley there is no quick fix for this.

It is going to take a lot of time and patients and even then it may not work and you will just have to except that you have a dog who dosn't like loud noises.

Is there anything specific in the dog's past that you know of that may have caused this to begin with?

if so avoid that like the plague.

Here is a post I put up a couple months ago about how to introduce a dog to gunfire you can you the same method here i believe

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Here's a link to ESPN Oudoors.
It has an article on gun-shy dogs.

Hope it's helpful.......Jimmy

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/columns/story?columnist=stewart_mike&page=sd_col_Stewa rt_gunshyness

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Get two metal food bowls. Have some onehold your dog in front of you when it is feeding time. Put the food in one bowl so the dog can see. Then bang the bowls togather, not to loud at first. Call the dog and let him come to you as you hit the bowls togather and call it's name. Do this each time you feed him and increase the loudness of the banging each time. after a week or so put the food in the bowl and use two other pans that make more noise. This cac be done outside after a few weeks and a cap gun or startergun can be shot. The dog will get the hint that noise is a good thing and he gets FOOD.Then take him to the farthest point you can from a gun range and work closer to the noise, prase him and you might have to give him a treat.
I have done this with several dogs and it has worked every time.
Never shoot over a puppy!!!

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Jimmy S posted a worthwhile article to read. Follow it as closely as possible. There's many ways and methods people use to introduce the gun but the method Jimmy S posted works and should be used. You can adapt the method for birddogs but here are some reasons why I don't suggest other methods:

1. Banging pots on a pup while eating will sometime make a pup more skittish. If the pup is skittish (you yell at it alot or alot of loud noises around you), banging pots may put it over the edge. Plus, you can use feeding time for more beneficial conditioning like a whistle for recall or what I did, steady the dog to woah before eating.

2. Never take an unexposed dog to a gunrange unless you can snap your fingers and magically appear 20 miles away in an instant. Or you can plead your case to other shooters to stop shooting just enough time to get out of hearing range of your dog. Because if your dog shows any tendancy of developing gunshyness, you can't get away fast enough. The worst is when there's a high powered rifle range nearby. High powered calibers are 'supersonic' range, ie. faster than sound. It builds a doppler effect which can hurt a dog's hearing. That's why a rifle sounds different and hurts your ears when shooting as opposed to a shotgun.

3. Never shoot more than one gun at a time. Even if you've accustomed the dog to gunfire. Lets say you've gone over the hump and able to shoot 12 ga. shells over him. Use several sessions or one season with just one gun. Then slowly add another gun for the next season if you wish but don't barrage the dog with 4-5 automatic guns all firing at one bird. Most likely, your dog will digress.

Alot of this is for birddogs as I only know one way to properly introduce gunfire and that's using birds. How well does it work? After introduction at nine months, I took my dog out to the hunting field (no gun). A sound of a gunshot pulled my dog's attention - tail went high, ears perked up and she ran towards it. She knew someone had found a bird. To this day at 3 yrs old, she gets excited at balloons. She will pounceto burst them then excitedly search upwards to look for the bird.

I've triedthe gunrangeand the.22 blanks to 20ga/12ga (faraway)but the best method so far is using birds (or whatever excites the dog) to introducegunfire. No waiting for the dogtofigure out that shots are good and no hoping the dog can handle the gunrange (btw, the dog was thickheaded enough for me to try it).

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Mite,
I would not let you trainone of mydogs to piss outside.
The rest of you have read my reponses on banging food bowls and still did not read it right.
Gun Shy is what you make, no dog is ever born with it.
Introducing a gun has no effect on the dog if done correctly.
Quit thinking of problems and quit making them. Take the dog out, get them in birds, ans shoot one when it it is time.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE

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Heh, daleh
At least I tryto help. Instead ofbashingpeople try writing something constructive.

If you would have read the original post, he came from the muzzleloading forum and likely hasn't read anything you wrote. Come to think of it, I don't recall anything you wrote about banging pots.

The problem already exists. He wants to know how to fix it.

How many times? How does one know when it is 'time'?

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How many times? How does one know when it is 'time'?
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Until the dog is no longer afraid of the shot. If you have a dog running making chase on a flushed bird, I think it's a clear indicator that it is time.

Personally, I wouldn't mess around with pots at this point. The owner needs to see what the dog is made of. If he has the desire, it shouldn't be a problem. If not, it'll be a nice house dog.

If the desire isn't there initially, I would throw a flightless bird on the ground and see what the dog does with it. If he wants to hunt you should be able to get through this.

Good luck

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I would say that there is not a "gun shy" dog but rather dogs that do not assoiate the loud noise with something good. You have to make these loud noises mean something to the dogthat they enjoy. If you are looking for a retrieve, the noise should get the dog fired up because they get to do something fun. Doing this is the trick. I would try using a small cap gun and use that doing simple retrieving drills. Throw the bumper and when the dogs goes to retrieve it fire a small cap. Make sure the dog is in a full run at this time. They shouldhardly notice the cap gun. When they seem comfortable with that try shooting the gun during the throw. Then start all over but step up the noise to a starters pistol. You should be fine just take your time and make sure the noise is fun for the dog.

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Hey guys,

Thanx for the suggestions, I hope we didn't start any serious arguments. I guess what ever the situation is everyone has different opppions, and what works for one might not work for the other. Anyway, this is not really a hunting dog but more or less a house and outside dog. I can't think of anything that should have caused her to be so afraid of loud noises, the first time she heard a gun she just took off running and ended up a mile away.
I think I will do like a couple of you suggested and get her really excited about something that she really likes and start with a small cap gun and work our way up to something bigger. I'd just like to shoot my muzzleloader outside, but she just gets scared and hides somewhere. Anyway thanx for the help and I will let you know what happens..

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Not really a hunting dog? You caused the problem to begin with. Now Deal With It!!!!!

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Thanx again everyone for the suggestions (except daleh), I think I'm going back to the muzzleloading forum, we don't seem to have people with that kind of arrogant attitude over there!!!

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go to the sporting dogs forum, display topics from last 180 days, page 3, i had the same question, there is lots of suggestions.

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Thanx crazycoonhunter, good reading !!!!

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Well, I am sorry if seem Arrogant and pissed you off.
Maybe, it is beacuse of all the people over the years tring to fix a gun-shy problem when it in fact. It didn't really exsist, they created it as a post. Their dogs have never even been out in the field hunting.
Your Dog (non-hunting dog /house half breed mut) will never go hunting in its life and therefore does not need any training or correction on gun-shyness.
(don't see why you posted for help to begin with)

As for anyone else wanting to avoid this issue
1. Never Shoot Around your dog in the kennel or any other circumstanceyour dog is not out in the field hunting.
2. Do not take yourdog to the sporting clays or skeet range.
3. NEVER SHOOT A HIGH POWERED RIFFLEWITHIN 500YDS OF YOUR DOG.
4. Do Not shoot off fire-works around your dog
5. All Dogs are scared of thunder, even dogs that have had over 10,000 birds shot over them. Don't Worry I'm Scared of thunder too.
Mite,
Sorry,
As for the (banging of the food bowls) it was posted by me on 2-17-06
I am not the greatest trainer nor will I ever be. In fact there are people who have forgot more about bird dogs thanyou orme will ever know.

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I think everyone but me and crazycoon got your post. You want to train your dog to not be afraid of loud noises and thought you would be able to find help here like you can on the muzzelloader forum. If I had suggestions I would give them. I hope you found help in the search... good luck

If anyone has good info on this, please post

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had a lot of dogs over years and never saw one that was SHY of noise get better.
very sorry.

now, here is what i do on my puppys the FIRST night i get him/her home.
i turn on RADIO in kitchen while puppy is in crate at night.
i put it on SOFT music the first 2 or 3 nights.

i have not had 1 puppy cry over 2 hrs the first night.

THEN ,after a week, i turn radio to things like music and band with drums,horns, whistles,people talking .

not one dog has even shaked at 6 months on shooting gun on first hunt.not 1.

i shoot a 12 gauge close to them too with pheasant .

i even had my lab grab a lit pack of firecrackers in his MOUTH,yes, lit and going off.

NOW, thats one tough dog,and stupid master for letting him get them in dark but it had NO effect .

i believe deeply that my method of training a puppy to noise is without doubt the bestway and it works.:eek:

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You hit the nail on the head!
I don't know the difference between a bird dog and a hole in the ground.
I guess that is why I won
99 VA Shooting Dog of the year
00 VA Derby of the Year
00 VA Shooting Dog of the year
01 NC All-Age Derby of the year
03 NC Open All-Age Dog Of the year
3X Open All-Age CH
1X Open Shooting Dog CH
Competed at the NAT. Championshipat Ames Plantation
Record 31 wins and 62 placements
Judged Field Trials every year for the last 12 years
From horse-back trials to walking trials
Last 3years a major Retriever Championship, National ChampionshipUplandTrial for the past 2 years and the South East Retriever Championshipthis spring.
This forum has gone to from folks that hunt when they can to people who know nothing at all about dogs and even less about bird hunting.
We used to have Pointers vs. Setters and Doc against the world.
Now we have come down to Muts and plain idiots,
Hasthe Deer Hunting Forum got that bad or did they kick Ya'll out for being stupid as well?

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The dog isn't a hunting dog. The dog isn't just gun shy --- it's loud noise shy.
Typically, curing gunshyness has no effect on the fear of other noises.
I don't know of any method to cure Loud Noise Shyness, because each particular noise
would have to be fixed one at a time ---- seems pretty unreasonable to me.


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Did you read where it said, "This IS NOT a hunting dog"

You are sooooo clueless, it's sad.


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are you mentally handicapped?

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bowfisherman


I love it when you block me.
I've always found that when someone can't back their statements up, that they either
resort to personal attacks or the real manly way of "blocking". :( sad, very sad :(


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Screwing with me on a forum is one thing.
Blasting each other is kinda comical, Screwing with my ads and business is not.
Now your doing something illegal. Since you visited my website and sent me several emails. I now have your IP address.
Grow up and fix your problems before you do something that is going to cost you.

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Here’s my experience with gun shy dogs. My first hunting dog was cocker-setter mix, a mutt that wandered onto the job site. I can still remember my boss telling me, “You take that pup home, you’re gunna have a dog.” I took the pup home and my girlfriend (now wife) fell in love with the mutt. At about a year old I took the dog out with a .22 and shot some cans. The dog did not like the report and hung back, she didn’t run off but she went back by the truck.

Hmmmm… after talking with a few people I got a cap gun and every time I fed the dog I fired off the cap gun. Started out in the next room and over a period of weeks got closer to the bowl, eventually I was popping off caps right over her head as she ate and she never so much as blinked. So the next step was taking her out for her first hunt with a .410. I was hoping to bump a pheasant and just fire the .410 in the air. Well we got into a covey of quail and she dove in, I fired and she didn’t pay me no mind. We spent the next hour hunting up the singles and do you think I could hit just one of them quail? I eventually ran out of shells. I took her out with .410 a few more times and then it was the 12 gauge from then on.

She was a good flusher and you couldn’t lose that dog, she never went far and always came back. She had a heck of nose. One day walking back down a gravel road, after a long day of rooster chasing, she just stopped, raised her head sniffing and took a sharp right into the timber. I was tired and wanted to get to the truck, but she was determined, I followed and not 50 yards into the timber there was a Cedar tree. She starts sniffing around the tree and out flies 2 turkeys, I about dumped my drawers right there.

Bugs.