Thoughts on training
03-16-2008, 07:17 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Thoughts on training
EODLT is correct. By far the easiest and quickest way to train Steadyis to properly use the ecollar.
The ecollar is used to correct the breaking, and not to enforce WHOA.
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The ecollar is used to correct the breaking, and not to enforce WHOA.
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03-16-2008, 07:21 AM
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RE: Thoughts on training
ORIGINAL: BKL Gundogs
mite if you really want some help with that contact me via email at [email protected]
mite if you really want some help with that contact me via email at [email protected]
a chance to learn something.
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03-17-2008, 12:08 AM
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RE: Thoughts on training
BKL, thanks but I think I'm on the right track. It's sorta somethingI have to figure out on my own. It's learning totruely read my dog andto figure out whatto train orin this case what not to. Plus, I like to think. Like now, I'm thinking my dog is much smarter than I gave her credit for.
Inow believe faults were made in training by me. And I tried to figure out which ones and why. I didn't recognize what my dog was doing. I thinkherreluctancefor training is her both her cop-out and her boredom. I believe dogs can't tellhow much time has passed in the Now. They can tell when, ie. a certain time everyday by routine, but not 'its been 15 mins'. So, she's been doing things by rote including briefly woahing then breaking. She didn't care since there was no painor that I wasconstantly lifting her back or saying louder woahs. That was her routine. Her cop-out.
I rememberas a pupwas always sticking her nose in what I was doing.She would stick her noseinto everything I did. Like an inquisitive 2yr old child asking what am I doing every minute. Now, ifit doesn't concern her then she'll tune me out. Just like in her training. Praise wasn't working with her since I'm always playing and laughing with her (she's my buddy).
Hmmm..I guess I should have put the collar on her belly.
Well, if this is true then any training should go muchfaster once I'm able toincorporate some kind of stimulus into what I want her to learn.
Inow believe faults were made in training by me. And I tried to figure out which ones and why. I didn't recognize what my dog was doing. I thinkherreluctancefor training is her both her cop-out and her boredom. I believe dogs can't tellhow much time has passed in the Now. They can tell when, ie. a certain time everyday by routine, but not 'its been 15 mins'. So, she's been doing things by rote including briefly woahing then breaking. She didn't care since there was no painor that I wasconstantly lifting her back or saying louder woahs. That was her routine. Her cop-out.
I rememberas a pupwas always sticking her nose in what I was doing.She would stick her noseinto everything I did. Like an inquisitive 2yr old child asking what am I doing every minute. Now, ifit doesn't concern her then she'll tune me out. Just like in her training. Praise wasn't working with her since I'm always playing and laughing with her (she's my buddy).
Hmmm..I guess I should have put the collar on her belly.
Well, if this is true then any training should go muchfaster once I'm able toincorporate some kind of stimulus into what I want her to learn.
03-17-2008, 11:08 AM
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RE: Thoughts on training
ORIGINAL: Mite
Well, if this is true then any training should go muchfaster once I'm able toincorporate some kind of stimulus into what I want her to learn.
Well, if this is true then any training should go muchfaster once I'm able toincorporate some kind of stimulus into what I want her to learn.
It wont take but a couple nicks from the collar when she breaks that she will realize thats not the thing to do... You will have a totally different animal when that collar goes on and she knows what behaivor sets it off. She will learn her boundaries, what she can and cant get away with, she CANNOT get away with breaking... Under NO circumstances!
She will come around shortly.
03-19-2008, 08:11 AM
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RE: Thoughts on training
I wouldn't nick the dog until the bird is in the air unless it's absolutely the last resort. You stand the risk of getting your dog to blink if you're not careful. If that happens, correcting the problem is not fun.
03-19-2008, 10:53 AM
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RE: Thoughts on training
ORIGINAL: mustad
I wouldn't nick the dog until the bird is in the air unless it's absolutely the last resort. You stand the risk of getting your dog to blink if you're not careful. If that happens, correcting the problem is not fun.
I wouldn't nick the dog until the bird is in the air unless it's absolutely the last resort. You stand the risk of getting your dog to blink if you're not careful. If that happens, correcting the problem is not fun.
Thats what "breaking" means, the dog is not steady when the bird flushes, or the dog is "breaking" your whoa.
03-19-2008, 12:33 PM
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RE: Thoughts on training
It wont take but a couple nicks from the collar when she breaks that she will realize thats not the thing to do... You will have a totally different animal when that collar goes on and she knows what behaivor sets it off. She will learn her boundaries, what she can and cant get away with, she CANNOT get away with breaking... Under NO circumstances!
She will come around shortly.
She will come around shortly.
03-19-2008, 01:32 PM
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RE: Thoughts on training
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So where at should he start at with the ecollar? The neck is a good place to start.
Or what level should he start with? As low as possible, whatever gets the desired behaivor change is sufficient.
Would it be wise to use continuos or just nick? Just nick.
What will happen if she doesnt learn her boundries fast enough, what should we do? It can take some time, there is no set time limit, its not a race. It will be a gradual change, dont rush through it.
More heat with the collar? No, as long as the dog is getting the idea, it will just take more time and consistency.
How should we go about all of this? Its already been explained above, read it.
Thanks Jonesy No Thank you Jonesy... Thanks for your smart azz comments, you tried your best to stump me, but I am a dog trainer and you are obviously not, just a weekend warrior who thinks they are a pro trainer and loves to throw in some real killers of some questions!
It wont take but a couple nicks from the collar when she breaks that she will realize thats not the thing to do... You will have a totally different animal when that collar goes on and she knows what behaivor sets it off. She will learn her boundaries, what she can and cant get away with, she CANNOT get away with breaking... Under NO circumstances!
She will come around shortly.
She will come around shortly.
Or what level should he start with? As low as possible, whatever gets the desired behaivor change is sufficient.
Would it be wise to use continuos or just nick? Just nick.
What will happen if she doesnt learn her boundries fast enough, what should we do? It can take some time, there is no set time limit, its not a race. It will be a gradual change, dont rush through it.
More heat with the collar? No, as long as the dog is getting the idea, it will just take more time and consistency.
How should we go about all of this? Its already been explained above, read it.
Thanks Jonesy No Thank you Jonesy... Thanks for your smart azz comments, you tried your best to stump me, but I am a dog trainer and you are obviously not, just a weekend warrior who thinks they are a pro trainer and loves to throw in some real killers of some questions!