Lets see Your Dogs On Point
05-10-2007, 06:34 PM
#36
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RE: Lets see Your Dogs On Point
Definatly find a puppy that will suit your needs as well as suiting the needs of the dog. My Setters make great house pets however, they have alot of drive. They will eventaly go hunting with or without you so you just can't turn one loose to run around in the neigborhood. I like for my children to go to homes were they will be hunted and cared for. I do not sale to folks or plantations that will put one of my dogs in a kennel and leave them alone untill time to hunt sometime next season.
I spent alot of time findingall the thing i wanted in a bird dog and pet.
I think the things we all see in great dogs
clean in the kennel
easily house broke
does not eat like a wild beast
loves people and wants effection never growls or barks at someone
Non aggresive to other dogs
willing to please you not doing something for fear of punishment
easily learns has intelligence you can see in their eyes
Some Things that make a great bird dog
THe NOse
style
bottom and drive (how many people actualy own a all day bird dog)
Bird sense (something mom and dad have to put there)
everything else can be learned to a degree
Training and opertunity is one of keys to success
http://www.gundogsbirddogs.com
I spent alot of time findingall the thing i wanted in a bird dog and pet.
I think the things we all see in great dogs
clean in the kennel
easily house broke
does not eat like a wild beast
loves people and wants effection never growls or barks at someone
Non aggresive to other dogs
willing to please you not doing something for fear of punishment
easily learns has intelligence you can see in their eyes
Some Things that make a great bird dog
THe NOse
style
bottom and drive (how many people actualy own a all day bird dog)
Bird sense (something mom and dad have to put there)
everything else can be learned to a degree
Training and opertunity is one of keys to success
http://www.gundogsbirddogs.com
05-10-2007, 07:56 PM
#37
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Heaven is my home, temporarily residing in WNY :)
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RE: Lets see Your Dogs On Point
ORIGINAL: daleh
Definatly find a puppy that will suit your needs as well as suiting the needs of the dog. My Setters make great house pets however, they have alot of drive. They will eventaly go hunting with or without you so you just can't turn one loose to run around in the neigborhood. I like for my children to go to homes were they will be hunted and cared for. I do not sale to folks or plantations that will put one of my dogs in a kennel and leave them alone untill time to hunt sometime next season.
I spent alot of time findingall the thing i wanted in a bird dog and pet.
I think the things we all see in great dogs
clean in the kennel
easily house broke
does not eat like a wild beast
loves people and wants effection never growls or barks at someone
Non aggresive to other dogs
willing to please you not doing something for fear of punishment
easily learns has intelligence you can see in their eyes
Some Things that make a great bird dog
THe NOse
style
bottom and drive (how many people actualy own a all day bird dog)
Bird sense (something mom and dad have to put there)
everything else can be learned to a degree
Training and opertunity is one of keys to success
http://www.gundogsbirddogs.com
Definatly find a puppy that will suit your needs as well as suiting the needs of the dog. My Setters make great house pets however, they have alot of drive. They will eventaly go hunting with or without you so you just can't turn one loose to run around in the neigborhood. I like for my children to go to homes were they will be hunted and cared for. I do not sale to folks or plantations that will put one of my dogs in a kennel and leave them alone untill time to hunt sometime next season.
I spent alot of time findingall the thing i wanted in a bird dog and pet.
I think the things we all see in great dogs
clean in the kennel
easily house broke
does not eat like a wild beast
loves people and wants effection never growls or barks at someone
Non aggresive to other dogs
willing to please you not doing something for fear of punishment
easily learns has intelligence you can see in their eyes
Some Things that make a great bird dog
THe NOse
style
bottom and drive (how many people actualy own a all day bird dog)
Bird sense (something mom and dad have to put there)
everything else can be learned to a degree
Training and opertunity is one of keys to success
http://www.gundogsbirddogs.com
05-11-2007, 04:29 AM
#38
Typical Buck
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RE: Lets see Your Dogs On Point
PreacherTony
You might want to consider a Llewellin setter. There are subtle differences between a Llewellin setter and an english setter. A Llewellin setter are more traditional hunting dogs. They range closer and pace themselves.They have thebird drive and nose as an english setter; largely due to the fact that almost every english setter has some Llew blood.
There are a few kennels out there that are producing trialing Llews - and winning trials,but the majorityof them are still foot hunters.
You might want to consider a Llewellin setter. There are subtle differences between a Llewellin setter and an english setter. A Llewellin setter are more traditional hunting dogs. They range closer and pace themselves.They have thebird drive and nose as an english setter; largely due to the fact that almost every english setter has some Llew blood.
There are a few kennels out there that are producing trialing Llews - and winning trials,but the majorityof them are still foot hunters.
05-11-2007, 05:29 AM
#39
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2006
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RE: Lets see Your Dogs On Point
ORIGINAL: Mite
PreacherTony
You might want to consider a Llewellin setter. There are subtle differences between a Llewellin setter and an english setter. A Llewellin setter are more traditional hunting dogs. They range closer and pace themselves.They have thebird drive and nose as an english setter; largely due to the fact that almost every english setter has some Llew blood.
There are a few kennels out there that are producing trialing Llews - and winning trials,but the majorityof them are still foot hunters.
PreacherTony
You might want to consider a Llewellin setter. There are subtle differences between a Llewellin setter and an english setter. A Llewellin setter are more traditional hunting dogs. They range closer and pace themselves.They have thebird drive and nose as an english setter; largely due to the fact that almost every english setter has some Llew blood.
There are a few kennels out there that are producing trialing Llews - and winning trials,but the majorityof them are still foot hunters.
05-12-2007, 12:53 AM
#40
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RE: Lets see Your Dogs On Point
I don't really like to knock Setters on anything they have a hard enough time as it is competing against all the Pointers.
I don't know all the history on Llewellins, but this i do know.
They are English Setters andgot there name from a breeder who only bred his dogs. The breeding was just about ruined by this. any time you don't go outside your kennels and bring in new blood you come up with inbred goofy dogs. a True Llewellin is still today a goofy dog they have no style, no bird sense,and absolutly will notgo far enough to win any field trial.
Alot of folks think that any tri-colored Setter is a Llewellin. this is False
Setters come in different variations of color
Black and White
Orange and White
Light Orange refered to as Lemmon
Tan or Chesnut colored
or they can be a combination of all or some
White is mostly predominate
I have only had to register one Setter as being black with white ticking
Shewas a Southwin Mike Bitch and as nasty of a dog as they come.
Unfortunatly The American Field is in control of the English Setters and Pointers.American Field Trials are a crock of @#$.
It has gotten so far away from what it used to be i will not partcipate nor hold anymore Trials for them on my grounds.
If you take the field just keep up with who is winning and who is judging. Notice that the amature owners of the dogs are judging the open events and the Hadlers and open dog owners are judging the amature events. Just see who won the open and next week i bet that judges dog wins the amature. This is why the American Field is dying and no one is stepping up to help. The Handlers and the Owners do not want you in. The clubs however, want your money. The Magazine wants you to register and buy pedigrees and advertising. How did we let a magazine get so much power as to dictate evry aspect fromwho gets a Championship trial (of coarse if you don't run an ad in the field your trial does not count) to registering so called pure bred dogs?
I don't know all the history on Llewellins, but this i do know.
They are English Setters andgot there name from a breeder who only bred his dogs. The breeding was just about ruined by this. any time you don't go outside your kennels and bring in new blood you come up with inbred goofy dogs. a True Llewellin is still today a goofy dog they have no style, no bird sense,and absolutly will notgo far enough to win any field trial.
Alot of folks think that any tri-colored Setter is a Llewellin. this is False
Setters come in different variations of color
Black and White
Orange and White
Light Orange refered to as Lemmon
Tan or Chesnut colored
or they can be a combination of all or some
White is mostly predominate
I have only had to register one Setter as being black with white ticking
Shewas a Southwin Mike Bitch and as nasty of a dog as they come.
Unfortunatly The American Field is in control of the English Setters and Pointers.American Field Trials are a crock of @#$.
It has gotten so far away from what it used to be i will not partcipate nor hold anymore Trials for them on my grounds.
If you take the field just keep up with who is winning and who is judging. Notice that the amature owners of the dogs are judging the open events and the Hadlers and open dog owners are judging the amature events. Just see who won the open and next week i bet that judges dog wins the amature. This is why the American Field is dying and no one is stepping up to help. The Handlers and the Owners do not want you in. The clubs however, want your money. The Magazine wants you to register and buy pedigrees and advertising. How did we let a magazine get so much power as to dictate evry aspect fromwho gets a Championship trial (of coarse if you don't run an ad in the field your trial does not count) to registering so called pure bred dogs?