Deer dogs ruining bow season
10-25-2013, 04:38 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
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Posts: 2,662
well said
10-25-2013, 10:43 AM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midlo, Va
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Trying to turn thus into a debate about still hunters and dog huntrrs does not address the OP's problem. The disrespect to him and his property be fellow hunters is his problem. Arrogant dog owners who feel they can let their dogs roam anywhere and anytime is a huge issue in Virginia. Until ALL hunters learn respect and honor all forms of hunting this will remain a problem. Any dog owner who lets his dogs run on any hunting land during non dog hunting times is disrespectful of others and is nothing but a rogue uncontrolled selfish sportsman. Has nothing to do with still hunters who are not perfect BUT do not cause the problsm this OP is trying to address.
10-26-2013, 05:30 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: VA, USA
Posts: 3,116
Trying to turn thus into a debate about still hunters and dog huntrrs does not address the OP's problem. The disrespect to him and his property be fellow hunters is his problem. Arrogant dog owners who feel they can let their dogs roam anywhere and anytime is a huge issue in Virginia. Until ALL hunters learn respect and honor all forms of hunting this will remain a problem. Any dog owner who lets his dogs run on any hunting land during non dog hunting times is disrespectful of others and is nothing but a rogue uncontrolled selfish sportsman. Has nothing to do with still hunters who are not perfect BUT do not cause the problsm this OP is trying to address.
You do make a valid point that I agree with 100%. All hunters need to stick together and clean our acts up. Otherwise we will continue to destroy ourselves from within.
Last edited by VAhuntr; 10-26-2013 at 05:35 AM.
10-27-2013, 05:33 AM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Oct 2013
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I've had several hunts ruined by dog hunters at Cavalier WMA in Chesapeake. The WMA butts right up against the NC line and I've personally watched the NC guys drive up to the state line and turn dogs loose. According to the game warden for the area, the club the NC guys belong to only have about 100 acres so they run the dogs in Va.
The problem is, Cavalier doesn't allow dog hunting so when the hounds go through even if they put a buck or a bear up, you can't legally shoot it! So when the dogs get turned loose, your day of hunting is over. The game warden says there is little he can do about it since they turn the dogs loose in NC and the dogs don't understand things like boundaries.
I don't have an issue with someone running dogs on private land, but when they disrupt someone's hunt that is a different story. On a side note, I've had several game wardens tell me that it is the dog hunters and the politicians they pay off that have kept Sunday hunting illegal in VA. Don't know if it is true or not but I've heard it from several different wardens.
The problem is, Cavalier doesn't allow dog hunting so when the hounds go through even if they put a buck or a bear up, you can't legally shoot it! So when the dogs get turned loose, your day of hunting is over. The game warden says there is little he can do about it since they turn the dogs loose in NC and the dogs don't understand things like boundaries.
I don't have an issue with someone running dogs on private land, but when they disrupt someone's hunt that is a different story. On a side note, I've had several game wardens tell me that it is the dog hunters and the politicians they pay off that have kept Sunday hunting illegal in VA. Don't know if it is true or not but I've heard it from several different wardens.
10-27-2013, 03:44 PM
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midlo, Va
Posts: 561
It is true. Mainly it is the Farm Bureau and the Virginia Hunting Dog Alliance Board of Directors who are preventing hunters from padticipating on Sunday. The sad part about it is that the VaHDA can hunt on Sunday. Yet they stop all other hunters from hunting.
10-27-2013, 05:39 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: VA, USA
Posts: 3,116
I've had several hunts ruined by dog hunters at Cavalier WMA in Chesapeake. The WMA butts right up against the NC line and I've personally watched the NC guys drive up to the state line and turn dogs loose. According to the game warden for the area, the club the NC guys belong to only have about 100 acres so they run the dogs in Va.
The problem is, Cavalier doesn't allow dog hunting so when the hounds go through even if they put a buck or a bear up, you can't legally shoot it! So when the dogs get turned loose, your day of hunting is over. The game warden says there is little he can do about it since they turn the dogs loose in NC and the dogs don't understand things like boundaries.
I don't have an issue with someone running dogs on private land, but when they disrupt someone's hunt that is a different story. On a side note, I've had several game wardens tell me that it is the dog hunters and the politicians they pay off that have kept Sunday hunting illegal in VA. Don't know if it is true or not but I've heard it from several different wardens.
The problem is, Cavalier doesn't allow dog hunting so when the hounds go through even if they put a buck or a bear up, you can't legally shoot it! So when the dogs get turned loose, your day of hunting is over. The game warden says there is little he can do about it since they turn the dogs loose in NC and the dogs don't understand things like boundaries.
I don't have an issue with someone running dogs on private land, but when they disrupt someone's hunt that is a different story. On a side note, I've had several game wardens tell me that it is the dog hunters and the politicians they pay off that have kept Sunday hunting illegal in VA. Don't know if it is true or not but I've heard it from several different wardens.
10-28-2013, 07:05 AM
#18
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: woodbridge va USA
Posts: 361
why do the dogs need to be in shape? the last time i checked, Va has a 7 week gun season. why cant they start "training" on that 3rd saturday of November? they should be in "shape" (whatever that means) by the 4th saturday. does a dog really need to be in shape to push a deer in front of you? sorry--i just had to vent. the deer doggers are why Va does not allow Sunday hunting..the dog clubs that i have seen run their dogs to death anyway.
10-28-2013, 08:16 AM
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,662
The VDGIF should look into allowing dogs to be used on only 500 + acres of land and charge a fee for every dog used....plus make the dog owners GET PERMISSION to come on PRIVATE PROPERTY to retrieve their dogs or be charged with TRESPASSING ....
10-28-2013, 11:30 AM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Midlo, Va
Posts: 561
Thought the reason for the dog pens were to keep the dogs in shape. Ever notice how some and I repeat some dog owners and dog hunters contradict themselves more and more as they keep talking. Just listen to the Chairman of the BOD of VaHDA talk sometime. You will be amazed what comes out of his mouth and wonder why he is still Chairman. And he is said to represent somewhere between 0 to 85000 hunters. In about 50 clubs. You do the math.